Ben Z
Veteran
jaapv said:
Surely as a man of science you understand statistics better than that. Even if it were true that 5000 of them have been delivered to customers, the 8 full and 4 partial failures reported must be put in perspective to the number of owners active on the forum where the reports originated (LUF), not the total number of M8's in the world. I believe I counted approximately 35 M8 owners active on the Leica Customer forum. That's about a 1 in 4 failure rate. Of course if you want to you're welcome to believe that by coincidence all 8 of the only faulty M8's in the world are owned by one of the 35 owners on the LUF
ywenz
Veteran
Sailor Ted said:
Ted: No. The computer is not a failure.
A digital camera is a subsitute for a film camera. M8 is suppose to be a subsitute for a film M. If routine "reboots" of the M8 are required to sustain good working order, then the camera is a failure.
boilerdoc2
Well-known
No expert here (amateur), but no problems of any sort with M8 (only one month tomorrow). Read M. Reichman's article at www.Luminouslandscape.com. Has a few nitpicks when he shot in Morocco (a dry country?), but no mention of static. It shoots awesome photographs folks! Great infrared camera with Hoya R72 as well.
A failure? Hell no! Birthing pains? Hell yes!
Steve
A failure? Hell no! Birthing pains? Hell yes!
Steve
Sailor Ted
Well-known
yawn,
As much as some people "need" to believe the M8 is a failure- ( a topic in and of itself), it is not. I am making some of the best digital images ever. This camera shoots like my M6 but has the inherent advantage of being digital with instant feed back so I can make changes in the field based on what I learn from shot to shot and this in turn is making me a better photographer because I’m learning at a much faster pace then when I shot on film. My M8 has had no such failures however a periodic re-boot would not even register to my way of thinking as a "failure". Sorry but this is an electronic tool that functions like an analogue one. To my way of thinking working with a DSLR is the inherent failure due to the fact it's not a format conducive to the way I like to shoot. Others styles vary and for some the DSLR is perfect- so be it.
At this point there are not throngs of people reporting failures and if these "assumed" failures were occurring in the frequency the muck rackers suggest we would be hearing about said failures or we will very soon. Until then this is idle speculation fueled more by people with a chip on their shoulder for the M8 then any actual M8 photographers- as per usual.
As much as some people "need" to believe the M8 is a failure- ( a topic in and of itself), it is not. I am making some of the best digital images ever. This camera shoots like my M6 but has the inherent advantage of being digital with instant feed back so I can make changes in the field based on what I learn from shot to shot and this in turn is making me a better photographer because I’m learning at a much faster pace then when I shot on film. My M8 has had no such failures however a periodic re-boot would not even register to my way of thinking as a "failure". Sorry but this is an electronic tool that functions like an analogue one. To my way of thinking working with a DSLR is the inherent failure due to the fact it's not a format conducive to the way I like to shoot. Others styles vary and for some the DSLR is perfect- so be it.
At this point there are not throngs of people reporting failures and if these "assumed" failures were occurring in the frequency the muck rackers suggest we would be hearing about said failures or we will very soon. Until then this is idle speculation fueled more by people with a chip on their shoulder for the M8 then any actual M8 photographers- as per usual.
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R
RML
Guest
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn....
Is it possible to put a thread on my ignore list?
Is it possible to put a thread on my ignore list?
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
When PCs entered the business IT sector, companies did not immediately ditch their paper-based systems, much less their IBM 360s, System 36/38s, DECs, etc.
I don't believe Leica has ever claimed the M8 is a replacement for film Ms, nor would any reasonable person think that at this stage.
Hey Ted, how's that for sticking up for the dark side?
I don't believe Leica has ever claimed the M8 is a replacement for film Ms, nor would any reasonable person think that at this stage.
Hey Ted, how's that for sticking up for the dark side?
Sailor Ted
Well-known
Trius,
Thanks and I agree with you- I allways have my trusty M6 as back-up and for those times when the light is oh so rare : )
Ted
Thanks and I agree with you- I allways have my trusty M6 as back-up and for those times when the light is oh so rare : )
Ted