TennesseJones
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You're right!
I'm such a techno idiot. Hope I can salvage it somehow. This whole process has made me feel a bit of a fool. A feeling no doubt to be reinforced when I go to the Apple Store.
Never occurred to me my old MacBook was a bit rubbish!
And you're having Aperture problems too?!
I'm such a techno idiot. Hope I can salvage it somehow. This whole process has made me feel a bit of a fool. A feeling no doubt to be reinforced when I go to the Apple Store.
Never occurred to me my old MacBook was a bit rubbish!
And you're having Aperture problems too?!
j j
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There is no key if you download; the app store records the things you bought and lets you download the program again.
They will sort you out. In the meantime I suggest you resist all further urges to try and sort it yourself in case you make things worse.
Ask the Apple store guys to show you how to set up Aperture to automatically save a back-up copy of all your picture files. That way you can get to your pictures even if Aperture plays up again. A Time Machine backup of your whole system is another essential.
Good luck!
TennesseJones
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TennesseJones
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Well, I went to the apple store. Lovely genius to help. But still the problem unresolved.
They think a crash caused an underlying corruption of the programme (I think I'm paraphrasing right) and I'd need to reinstall the operating system.
But also that I needed a new computer anyway if I was going to work in raw files.
And that I should try and reinstall my whole system onto said new computer from my time machine back up. And then, hopefully, aperture will work....
What a stressful thing computers can be, particularly for people like me who don't really get it..
They think a crash caused an underlying corruption of the programme (I think I'm paraphrasing right) and I'd need to reinstall the operating system.
But also that I needed a new computer anyway if I was going to work in raw files.
And that I should try and reinstall my whole system onto said new computer from my time machine back up. And then, hopefully, aperture will work....
What a stressful thing computers can be, particularly for people like me who don't really get it..
TennesseJones
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So I'm thinking a refurbed MacBook Pro 13", with the i7 brain and with 8gb of RAM, and non Retina so the RAM can be added to...
This is what was recommended anyway...
This is what was recommended anyway...
Godfrey
somewhat colored
MBP 13" with i7 will be fine. I used the older variant of that, with 2.4Ghz Core Duo 2 processor, for a couple of years without a hitch. I bought it as a refurb too.
Order one, order as much memory as it can be fitted with, and set it up correctly when you start using it. There's little value in waiting to put in as much RAM as it can take.
G
TennesseJones
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willie_901
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Excellent plan. This makes a huge difference.
TennesseJones
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One last ( I hope) quick question.
If aperture was corrupted by a crash on the old MacBook, when I install from time machine backup to the new MacBook Pro will I not still have a corrupted aperture program and the same problem?
If aperture was corrupted by a crash on the old MacBook, when I install from time machine backup to the new MacBook Pro will I not still have a corrupted aperture program and the same problem?
thegman
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It might, it might not, depends on exactly why it was crashing. I'd just install Aperture from scratch to be sure.
TennesseJones
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Thank you.
Another stupid question: is it possible to install from my most recent time machine backup, but whilst doing this not install aperture?
I can't believe how much trouble has been caused here, and still no clear idea what the initial source is
Another stupid question: is it possible to install from my most recent time machine backup, but whilst doing this not install aperture?
I can't believe how much trouble has been caused here, and still no clear idea what the initial source is
Ronald M
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2 GB ram is small for a 18 MP camera. That forces the data being crunched to temporarily store to the hard drive. That takes time and the more full the hard drive is, the more clumsy this is. You can buy more ram and/or move files to another storage location.
You might also look in Aperture preferences how much history it remembers. If set too low, it will crash. At least photoshop has this option.
The mac needs to occasionally be turned on disconnected from the internet and be allowed to do its internal clean up/defragmentation.
You might also look in Aperture preferences how much history it remembers. If set too low, it will crash. At least photoshop has this option.
The mac needs to occasionally be turned on disconnected from the internet and be allowed to do its internal clean up/defragmentation.
Duane Pandorf
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I think depends on when Time Machine did its last backup on whether that would be an issue.
Pablito
coco frío
I would be very surprised if things did not improve if you update to are more recent OS. Most of the new software I know of requires at least 10.6.8.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Not stupid.
When restoring a system from a Time Machine backup, you use the Migration Assistant. You can specify whether to restore everything (including apps) or just the accounts and shared data files.
When I'm setting up a new system, I first create an administrator account and use it to configure OS X, to install all my apps. THEN I restore just my working accounts and shared data from the Time Machine backup. That way I know that my data and settings for each account are properly installed, and I also know the OS and applications are fresh and properly installed.
An up to date system with the latest version of OS X, 4-8G RAM, and a startup hard drive large enough to contain all necessary files with 200-300G of free space makes the best base of operations for image processing. Put big photographic files ... the original raws, TIFFs, etc ... on an external drive and load them by reference into Aperture or Lightroom. Back up the system and your photographs consistently. That way everything remains safe even in the event of a problem.
G
(A piece of advice from my years of doing computer consulting with private clients: Try to let go of the notion that your computer is infinitely complicated and impossible to learn. I find this is the stumbling block that most often leads people into making a mess of their computer. Computers are complicated, but very few people need to know everything, and certainly no one learns what they need all at once. Consider them more as entertaining machines that you need to learn just enough, and maybe a little beyond, to get what you want done. And don't be afraid to explore new bits now and then, to keep the learning cells awake and happy. There are very few things, other than mass, permanent deletion of important files, that cannot be figured out and fixed when a computer goes awry—they're just glorified combinations of a television set and a calculator, after all. ;-))
Rogier
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If you can make a 2nd back-up of your Mac. This time an "image" rather than a complicated Time Machine file. I prefer to use Super Duper to create a bootable copy of your Mac. You can also use Disk Utility while booted from an other source.
Reason for 2 different back-up on two separate media is to have dual redundancy. I have seen restore Time Machine Back-Ups gone bad or lost.
Once you have created the image you can use the migrtion assistant to get everything back again minus the apps.
HOWEVER!
It might be much easier to delete the related .plists - Application support files and Cash to resolve the problem.
Besides the fact that your system is a bit out of date and "weak" do deal with something heavy as Aperture and big Raw files. Upgrade to at least 4 GB of memory and install 10.7 or 10.8...
Reason for 2 different back-up on two separate media is to have dual redundancy. I have seen restore Time Machine Back-Ups gone bad or lost.
Once you have created the image you can use the migrtion assistant to get everything back again minus the apps.
HOWEVER!
It might be much easier to delete the related .plists - Application support files and Cash to resolve the problem.
Besides the fact that your system is a bit out of date and "weak" do deal with something heavy as Aperture and big Raw files. Upgrade to at least 4 GB of memory and install 10.7 or 10.8...
TennesseJones
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Thank you so much!
And to everyone, can't say how much I appreciate this kindness and generous advice..
Well I think the new computer will be delivered tmmw, which is coincidentally my birthday, so lets hope for the best!
I'm going to re-read these posts for the best way to proceed in getting it up and running..
And to everyone, can't say how much I appreciate this kindness and generous advice..
Well I think the new computer will be delivered tmmw, which is coincidentally my birthday, so lets hope for the best!
I'm going to re-read these posts for the best way to proceed in getting it up and running..
fdarnell
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Sorry to hear of your troubles. Some pointers as I have worked with Aperture on slower machines - Core 2 Duo's in the 2 to 2.4 GHz range with 12 MP Raw files. Some things to consider about Aperture
- it stores all your files in a "library" file which is looks like one big giant file but it's really a directory. To get at individual files is a bit tricky, but can be done.
- If you are running 10.5.8 you can't use the App store - it needs 10.6.8 at a minimum I believe.
- the old MacBook you have will run Lion but only in 32bit mode. It's due to a fundamental difference from the same vintage MacBook Pro. I had a black one of the vintage you have and found Lion was too slow. 10.6.8 was the end of the line, but quite usable with 4GB ram.
- When you get the new Mac, take the old drive out of the MacBook and put it in a USB case - this is pretty straightforward to do. Then when you plug it into the new Mac, go to the folder "Users/your_old_username_here/pictures and look for the "Aperture Library" file - that's where all your old data is. You can copy that over to the new computer, then import into Aperture. If the program was corrupted, the data may still be ok. You can also use Disk Utilities and do a "repair" and "repair permissions: on the old disk, now in the USB box, to help if you can't copy or do anything with the old Aperture Library File. But I would NOT do this until I had tried to copy it over. This Aperture Library file can become quite large - many GB, especially with RAW files you are talking about. It's possible there was something going on between your old Mac running in 32bit mode - but I'm not expert enough to know the true limitations of file sizes in that mode. The new mac will be running Mountain Lion (most likely) and will be locked in 64 bit mode, so it can handle much more RAM and file sizes.
Good luck - I've found that once I had a similar problem to you, it was much better to create many small Aperture Librarys so the would not get so large.
- it stores all your files in a "library" file which is looks like one big giant file but it's really a directory. To get at individual files is a bit tricky, but can be done.
- If you are running 10.5.8 you can't use the App store - it needs 10.6.8 at a minimum I believe.
- the old MacBook you have will run Lion but only in 32bit mode. It's due to a fundamental difference from the same vintage MacBook Pro. I had a black one of the vintage you have and found Lion was too slow. 10.6.8 was the end of the line, but quite usable with 4GB ram.
- When you get the new Mac, take the old drive out of the MacBook and put it in a USB case - this is pretty straightforward to do. Then when you plug it into the new Mac, go to the folder "Users/your_old_username_here/pictures and look for the "Aperture Library" file - that's where all your old data is. You can copy that over to the new computer, then import into Aperture. If the program was corrupted, the data may still be ok. You can also use Disk Utilities and do a "repair" and "repair permissions: on the old disk, now in the USB box, to help if you can't copy or do anything with the old Aperture Library File. But I would NOT do this until I had tried to copy it over. This Aperture Library file can become quite large - many GB, especially with RAW files you are talking about. It's possible there was something going on between your old Mac running in 32bit mode - but I'm not expert enough to know the true limitations of file sizes in that mode. The new mac will be running Mountain Lion (most likely) and will be locked in 64 bit mode, so it can handle much more RAM and file sizes.
Good luck - I've found that once I had a similar problem to you, it was much better to create many small Aperture Librarys so the would not get so large.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Aperture 3.x (maybe Aperture 2 as well, I don't remember*at this point) can also import files by reference, leaving them in the file system where you put them rather than copying them into the .aplibrary file. I was never comfortable with the 'managed file' business of hiding my files in a .aplibrary bundle, just as I never liked it with iPhoto either. Now both apps can import files by reference, which is vastly preferable to me from a backup and archiving perspective: I can organize my file system to suit my needs.
Some people love the managed files aspect of Aperture and iPhoto, however. YMMV.
G
TennesseJones
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Well, I'm up and running with the MB Pro..
Thanks so much for all your advice with my computer problems. What a great, helpful place.
And definitely going to follow some of the ongoing ideas for better management!
Thanks so much for all your advice with my computer problems. What a great, helpful place.
And definitely going to follow some of the ongoing ideas for better management!