M9 sensor swap-- what does your documentation say?

FYI the old sensor is a bit better if not corroded.

That's because the coverglass is S8612, the gold standard in absorbtive IR cut in terms of high transmission of visible light in just the right range. The new glass BG55, is good but transmission is a little reduced, perhaps 10% in visible light, my source believes. In terms of pure performance, it's not as good, but it will resist varied conditions better.

So if it's a camera you want to use a clean first gen sensor is the best. So if you are one of those desperate to see the wrong kind of spots, don't be.

Leica is the only FF camera which puts the IR cut directly on the sensor. Everybody else puts about .7mm of clear super hard glass there, and then puts the IR cut and other filters in a stack above it. So those filters can be easily replaced without delicate work or a new sensor. But having the IR cut on the sensor is best if you want to be a close to film performance with steep ray angles from a number of RF wide angles.

BTW the M9 sensor will be repairable for a very long time, regardless of if Leica is in business. This is because there are people who specialize in replacing the glued coverglass, with whatever you want. So for under 500USD, one could get a new sheet of S8612 placed over the sensor today. Other parts might be more problematic.
 
I have the Service Invoices from NJ for both my M9 bodies. Both list repair part 420-220-803-000 M9 CCD/CIRCUIT BOARD and under Work Performed they both state: REPLACE IMAGE SENSOR **LEICA GOODWILL WARRANTY**

With the serial number listed on the Service Invoice, and the updated firmware, I don't see what other possible documentation one would want.

Note that they always replace the vulcanite when doing pretty much any work on a camera, and this is always listed as a repair part. In my case: part #420-222-001-050 M9-P BODY COVERING there is also a note stating that "a new leatherette covering will replace the old vulcanite covering (no longer ava.) I much prefer the new covering.
 
If your camera does not have such documentation, then you should not state anything about a possible sensor replacement when [one day] you will sell the M9.
 
based on sepiareverb's reply, you seem to be lied to.
One point though: I would check the date on the invoice too. If it was sent to Leica on a date after the upgrade program was in place, I would think that they would have changed it even if it didn't suffer from corrosion issue, or?
 
I wouldn't never sell goods that I can't stand behind. The seller hasn't gotten back to me but he is on Pacific time... rest assured that if/when I sell, I won't be falsely advertising something.

I can assume that if the camera went to Leica and there were no issues, they wouldn't have replaced the sensor, rondo. Good thing is that there are no spots.

Sepiaeverb, I would like exactly what you got on your invoice-- explanation of what was fixed. From what you've indicated from your invoice, it appears that it isn't a communication error on Leica's part but fraudulence on the seller's part. I am waiting for a reply from him before I give him negative feedback.
 
based on sepiareverb's reply, you seem to be lied to.
One point though: I would check the date on the invoice too. If it was sent to Leica on a date after the upgrade program was in place, I would think that they would have changed it even if it didn't suffer from corrosion issue, or?

No. Every old sensor is prone to corrosion but not every sensor will show sensor corrosion over the lifetime of the camera. It's economically not reasonable to change the sensor when it's perfectly allright. Leica only replaces already visibly damaged sensors.
 
based on sepiareverb's reply, you seem to be lied to.
One point though: I would check the date on the invoice too. If it was sent to Leica on a date after the upgrade program was in place, I would think that they would have changed it even if it didn't suffer from corrosion issue, or?

No, they state on their web site that the good will program does not provide preventive replacements.

John
 
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Sepiaeverb, I would like exactly what you got on your invoice-- explanation of what was fixed...

I would suspect that you could contact Leica NJ with the serial number and get some information about what they've done to the camera over the years if not duplicate service invoices, tho they do have name and address on them...
 
No. Every old sensor is prone to corrosion but not every sensor will show sensor corrosion over the lifetime of the camera. It's economically not reasonable to change the sensor when it's perfectly allright. Leica only replaces already visibly damaged sensors.

Thanks for clarifying that. So Drec has been lied to, or the seller is honestly mistaken about the service his camera received or maybe Drec didn't receive all the documentation with it.
 
Time away at the NJ spa can also be a clue, both my cameras went there in November, one returned in March, the other in May. Not sure how long the backorder line is these days, but there and back for a cleaning would likely only take a month and a half 😉
 
When my Monochrom was returned in October of this year the documentation with it only stated that the repairs in the Repair Order had been performed. The Repair Order (from July 2016) stated:

replace sensor
adjust rangefinder
repair free of charge
check, adjust, clean
leather covering

When my M9 went in in December 2014 it came back with a full description of what had been done.
 
Interesting. I clearly didn't get a copy of the repair order, but a copy of what was completed. So it is possible, based on what you said happened with your most recent repair, that the sensor might have been replaced after all. Perhaps there is no uniform policy at Leica regarding repair descriptions.

Sheesh. I'm going out and shooting. Happy holidays all!!!
 
Update and happy ending!

I contacted the owner previous to the one who sold me the camera-- it was his name on the repair receipt and he was gracious enough to respond to my FB message to him. He confirmed that the previous sensor had had a crack in it and spots were definitely noticeable, and that Leica replaced everything. So the lack of information is on Leica's part... it would be nice if they detailed what they were doing, in every piece of documentation just in case situations like this happen again!
 
... it would be nice if they detailed what they were doing, in every piece of documentation...

Agreed, though not all parts are known needed at the outset. One of my bodies had an O ring or something replaced, I suppose this turned up as sub-standard during the check after the sensor went in.
 
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