bmattock
Veteran
Pickett Wilson
Veteran
Guilty until proven innocent.
nksyoon
Well-known
Different incident, same paranoia and abuse of power:
http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=871788
http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=871788
robin a
Well-known
Ho Ho Ho ................
Bobfrance
Over Exposed
Confabulation?
Confabulation?
From the article,
[Mall management said,]
"When a working journalist takes photos in the mall, they are supposed to let mall management know, she said.
"A lot of our merchants don't want people to come in and film inside their store," she said.
Mall customers can bring cameras into the mall and take pictures, she said"
Do these people never just stop for a minute and listen to themselves?
Confabulation?
From the article,
[Mall management said,]
"When a working journalist takes photos in the mall, they are supposed to let mall management know, she said.
"A lot of our merchants don't want people to come in and film inside their store," she said.
Mall customers can bring cameras into the mall and take pictures, she said"
Do these people never just stop for a minute and listen to themselves?
srtiwari
Daktari
I am now concerned about going into any Public place to take pictures ! Isn't freedom wonderful ?
direwolf101
Well-known
That's crazy.
Sparrow
Veteran
I would imagine a lot of where we go in Manchester is private property, do you ever have problems?
I was stopped in Bradford’s Arndale Centre a few years back and told I could only "take pictures of the Christmas decorations” I just said “Oh good, that’s what I’m doing” and he went away
Bobfrance
Over Exposed
Never any real problem out on the streets - except perhaps when I took this.
I tend to avoid the shopping arcades for that very reason - too many security guards with mixed-up ideas of what they're there for.
That said, I don't think it's hard to take shots in there without being noticed - the guards aren't very sharp - but it's not my kind of environment.
Outside of the big corporate zone many shopkeeps are more than happy to be photographed.
It's an idea I keep meaning to expand into a project.
ZeissFan
Veteran
Shopping malls have always been prickly about photographers. The more upscale the mall, the worse they can be.
Retailers say they're concerned about corporate espionage, and I suppose there's some truth to that.
PPG has a series of buildings in Pittsburgh with a plaza in the center. In the winter, there's a public ice-skating rink, and in the summer it's a sidewalk fountain that they allow young kids to play in. You can take any photos, but you can't turn your camera upward to photograph the buildings. I've seen them stop people from doing this.
I just go across the street and get off their property.
Retailers say they're concerned about corporate espionage, and I suppose there's some truth to that.
PPG has a series of buildings in Pittsburgh with a plaza in the center. In the winter, there's a public ice-skating rink, and in the summer it's a sidewalk fountain that they allow young kids to play in. You can take any photos, but you can't turn your camera upward to photograph the buildings. I've seen them stop people from doing this.
I just go across the street and get off their property.
btgc
Veteran
Malls are private property, aren't they?
Here we have interesting case - two buildings on opposite sides of street were conjoined with several bridges, and covered by glass roof. Street remained on city's map. So I always can explain I'm taking pictures on street, that's public place. Cyclists often take their bikes into for same reason. I liked that street before reconstruction, so I'm still using it as a street.
Here we have interesting case - two buildings on opposite sides of street were conjoined with several bridges, and covered by glass roof. Street remained on city's map. So I always can explain I'm taking pictures on street, that's public place. Cyclists often take their bikes into for same reason. I liked that street before reconstruction, so I'm still using it as a street.
Jim-st
Well-known
Is there a flickr group for pics of "prohibited" locations? I've not been able to find one that quite fits the bill.
I had two "encounters" with security in South Africa last month: one in a branch of Makro, the other in a mall - both in Johannesburg.
Both taken with my recently acquired R-D1, which may be a something of a guard-magnet and not the inconspicuous little item I'd envisaged!
I had two "encounters" with security in South Africa last month: one in a branch of Makro, the other in a mall - both in Johannesburg.
Both taken with my recently acquired R-D1, which may be a something of a guard-magnet and not the inconspicuous little item I'd envisaged!
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bmattock
Veteran
Private property, yes. Whether or not photography can be banned is another subject.
http://www.slate.com/id/2079885/
And in general, I support the rights of a property owner to permit or refuse to permit certain behavior on their property.
But bear in mind that banning photography in a mall does not make it illegal, does not make it a crime, does not make it an arrestable offense. At most, the mall could order the person to cease and desist taking photos, order them to leave, ban them from the mall, or if the person refused to comply, have them arrested for trespass. There still is no law against taking photographs of police officers, and no law against taking photos in malls - even if the mall prohibits it, that doesn't make it a crime.
hans voralberg
Veteran
A bit off topic but BobFrance, where is that camera store in your photo? It looks nice!
Sparrow
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wgerrard
Veteran
Yes, but they appear to apply photography bans in an inconsistent and confusing manner. On the one hand, we hear that professionals must seek permission from mall management. On the other, we hear that parents accompanied by children can take pictures. Presumably, that means parents not accompanied by kids risk arrest.
I don't recall ever entering a mall that posted its photography policy at the entrance.
In this case, the fact that two adults chased down the photographer, and then alerted mall management and the police, is ample evidence of fear and paranoia driving behavior, not rational thought.
wgerrard
Veteran
Absolutely. Note that the charges brought against this guy in Charleston have nothing to do with photography.
Michael Markey
Veteran
Bob
Well ,Jem looks happy to be photographed. I`ve taken shots in Selfridges (store in Manchester) down by the wheel. No one said anything or even noticed . Didn`t one of us get stopped in Barton Arcade this year though ? Some rule that you could only photograph the ground floor ?
Michael
Well ,Jem looks happy to be photographed. I`ve taken shots in Selfridges (store in Manchester) down by the wheel. No one said anything or even noticed . Didn`t one of us get stopped in Barton Arcade this year though ? Some rule that you could only photograph the ground floor ?
Michael
btgc
Veteran
This is because law systems used in West cultures are complex, mostly inefficient and outdated by design. I count our country in same league. Recently criminal sued government and got good amount of money because some formalities weren't executed while he were transferred from jail to court. That's nonsense. Law system is too formal. I'm not talking about case if he were tortured before court, simply some formalities were omitted.
Another case - guy playing heavy metal in his flat in the night refuses to switch it off, polices arrives though can not arrest him because ton of formalities has to be accomplished.
Obviously there's a lot of paranoia, and no objections while being taped by surveillance cameras or from satellites.
I have noticed small pictures of camera, dog, ice cream and bicycle when entering shop. I wonder if this are items not available for purchase? As customer I'm not obliged to play their games with guessing pictograms, this would be my answer if security would catch me taking pictures.
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Bobfrance
Over Exposed
Ha, yes. That was me and Paul.
We were instructed that we could take pictures of anywhere on the ground floor, but not take pictures of the ground floor from the first floor balcony. Madness! I suspect it being something to do with the arcade being a thoroughfare on the ground floor, so a public area.
A hard rule to enforce - given the Leica shop is on the first floor!
The guard was very good about it and always lets on to us when we're there. We just take pictures when he's not looking.
