Mic Drop Moment: M10-D with thumb lever

airfrogusmc - Very nice photos!

Guth:

I haven't kept a portfolio website since I closed my photo business at the end of 2010. I post on flikr.com regularly, but with several different cameras, formats, etc. It's a tiny fraction of what I'm photographing .. I've not been so concerned with posting out work for public display as exploring themes and subjects for myself this past couple of years since I retired. 😀

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airfrogusmc - these are excellent in every way. Kudos!

Raw files from the Leica MMs offer some of the best dynamic range and SNR performance with 24 X 36 mm sensors. Only very recently have a few brands out-performed the M-262 and those improvements are only about 1/3 to 2/3 EV.

I think a future the M10 monochrome will surpass everyone.

Thanks Willie, I am still shooting the the original MM. Love it quicks and all. Small LCD is no biggie for me. I use it the way I would use a polaroid. I don't even check it much when I am working. Maybe just to see shadows or check composition or whether eyes are closed etc.

I might see what the M10MM is like but I am perfectly happy with this MM.
 
airfrogusmc - Very nice photos!

Guth:

I haven't kept a portfolio website since I closed my photo business at the end of 2010. I post on flikr.com regularly, but with several different cameras, formats, etc. It's a tiny fraction of what I'm photographing .. I've not been so concerned with posting out work for public display as exploring themes and subjects for myself this past couple of years since I retired. 😀

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Thanks G.

A lot of my day job work is confidential so no need for a web site. Plus I don't know if I could take on another client right now anyway. Not having a web site has probably helped me. In fact I remember years ago some professional friends ridiculing me for not having a web site. Telling me I couldn't do it it without one. They all had web sites. None are now in the photography business. To me it is about personal relationships and face to face encounters. Referred business. In the world I work in all of the marketing/communication people, art directors, account managers etc all know how deceptive a web site can be. When money and especially time is on the line they do not want to trust anything to an unknown player.
 
...To me it is about personal relationships and face to face encounters. Referred business. ...

I agree completely. My website was for my entertainment and for the often asked question when I was doing exhibitions: "Where can I see your photos online?" It was basically a simple, small portfolio for people I already knew; most of the work I booked through referrals, and there only one big job that happened because I had an online presence.

I'll do a website again when I feel I have new work that I want to feature as online media in a coordinated way. In the meantime, Flickr, YouTube, and maybe Instagram will suffice for posing little bits and snippets of ideas and talking about them. 🙂

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I agree completely. My website was for my entertainment and for the often asked question when I was doing exhibitions: "Where can I see your photos online?" It was basically a simple, small portfolio for people I already knew; most of the work I booked through referrals, and there only one big job that happened because I had an online presence.

I'll do a website again when I feel I have new work that I want to feature as online media in a coordinated way. In the meantime, Flickr, YouTube, and maybe Instagram will suffice for posing little bits and snippets of ideas and talking about them. 🙂

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Agree G.

If a new client contacts me (always a referral) I will ask what we will be working on and send low res images related to what we will be working on to see if it looks like I can give them what they need.

I haven't had to do that or bid on a job in a couple of years. My clients know my half day and day rates and my usage prices so it's just my availability at that point. I have been very lucky but as you know it takes years to build relationships like this. One of my biggest clients took me 5 years to fully land.
 
Thanks guys for sharing your photos. I understand the value of word-of-mouth business for creative types very well. I worked in marketing communications for the better part of a decade. For those of us in marcom, one trusted creative resource would often lead to another. It was rare that we had to search out creative talent as we also worked with agencies in addition to independent freelancers. While there are definitely no shortage of very creative people in this world, finding the ones that are actually good to work with can be more difficult than many might think. I primarily asked about online presence as it's such a common and convenient way to share/view images these days. One great thing about this forum is that so many here do share their images and I've really enjoyed that aspect of this community very much. Not only do I find it entertaining to look at the work of others, I also often find it inspiring which encourages me to get out more with my own camera.

airfrogusmc, your professional work has a very familiar look to it — I currently work in health care. Even earlier on when I was working in marcom I was involved with the teleconferencing industry where health care was one of our biggest vertical markets (telehealth). What I found interesting was seeing the contrast between your work featured in the Leica camera blog and your health care images. For as slick and polished as your HC-related work is, your street photography is every bit as much surprising and entertaining. That's a wonderful range of expression that you're able to carry out with one camera. By the way, your link for the book was the same as the link to the blog feature.

Godfrey, while I did not take the time to dig through what photos were shot with which camera, as a guy who grew up with a love for cars and motorcycles I found plenty of subject matter to get lost in amongst your flickr images. I love cars and motorcycles of all types but perhaps my favorite subject was the Honda S600 that you randomly ran across on the street. Almost unbelievable as it was in such beautiful condition (a LHD model no less) — simply fantastic. Side note: I hope to make it to the IOM TT one of these years before I'm gone.

As I've said before, I realize that my issue with the M10-D is just that — my issue. I probably created more of a stir than I have a right to as I have no intention of buying one of these cameras. Looking at some of Godfrey's images helped me get to the root of what bothers me so much about this camera. I tend to hold design in high regard, whether it's graphic design, automotive design, industrial design, etc.. I often tend to look at beautiful cars, motorcycles, and even cameras (and all sorts of other products) much in the same way many here look at wonderful photographs. When it comes to certain companies like Leica and Ducati for example, regardless of how well their respective products are engineered, or manufactured or how well they perform, I also tend to especially admire how their products are designed. This certainly goes for some of their past iconic products.

Looking at Godfrey's images I start thinking what if Ducati were to start slapping faux bevel-drives on one of their current engines while indicating it there for some reason other than manipulating the valves. Just as with the M10-D, even though I have no plans of buying a new Ducati, I'd be similarly upset about such a design choice. That's likely because I honestly see this tendency for companies to create faux functional elements in current designs as being rather disrespectful of their own past iconic designs. I suppose that I personally just expect more from these particular companies.

But the honest truth is that these are things that very few people in this world think about. Most people look at an old Leica, an old Ducati or an old Lancia and think huh, that's a nice old camera, motorcycle or car but not much more (if they even notice them at all). As was previously noted, these are the decisions that are for the companies themselves to make, doing what they need to do to survive. Desperate times call for desperate measures as they say and companies need to make money to survive. (My personal approval doesn't go far in a marketing campaign, lol.) In the end most people just don't care that much about this kind of stuff. People like me go on little rants on Internet forums while others just buy the products to use and enjoy. For some this will be just another tool, for others just another toy. In either case it will likely be replaced at some point down the road by another camera as the world of photography evolves. While in my case there is honestly no telling if I'll even buy another camera in my lifetime, so who am I to get bent out of shape about what Leica does?

Your respective photos are a nice reminder of what happens after the dust settles on any camera design. So it will be with the M10-D. People will go on to make wonderful images with it. Sooner or later I'll surely come to enjoy photos made with it as I'm sure will countless others. In the meantime I realize that my photographic oriented focus is much better spent simply trying to become a better photographer myself. I'll just chalk all this up to getting old and in my case somewhat cranky. Cheers all.
 
Hi Guth thanks for the kind words and the heads up on the link. I fixed it.

And if you don't want to go back here is the link
http://www.blurb.com/b/8495841-streets-alleys-and-other-urban-observations

I shoot with Leica M not for nostalgia reasons or any other reason but only because they fit the way I see and work. It is that simple. They just work best for me. That may or may not be the case for others.
 
I still think its cheesy camera thats overpriced for what it is, starting my career in film the best thing about digital is the LCD and I still think that. Its not aimed at professionals (maybe some use it still) and it does nothing that any of the other big brand cameras can do.
I'm sure Leica will sell loads of them!
 
Thanks Robert.

I do agree with you Fraser this camera is not targeted for most pros but I can tell you that cameras like the M 10, M 262 and the MM are perfect for the type of work I do and the way I work.

A great quote by Ernst Haas:
"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE." - Ernst Haas

Leica M is not doing anything others can't do but work perfectly for some folks like me. I think that is the key. All of us don't need all the features. In fact for me those things just get in the way. What you want or need may or may not be what I need or want. That's why choices are a good thing. And Leica M is a real different camera from most of the others and a real choice.
 
Thanks Robert.

I do agree with you Fraser this camera is not targeted for most pros but I can tell you that cameras like the M 10, M 262 and the MM are perfect for the type of work I do and the way I work.

A great quote by Ernst Haas:
"The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE." - Ernst Haas

Leica M is not doing anything others can't do but work perfectly for some folks like me. I think that is the key. All of us don't need all the features. In fact for me those things just get in the way. What you want or need may or may not be what I need or want. That's why choices are a good thing. And Leica M is a real different camera from most of the others and a real choice.

I would love to be able to carry a couple of Leicas around as one of the worst parts of my job is the weight of gear!!
 
I would love to be able to carry a couple of Leicas around as one of the worst parts of my job is the weight of gear!!

Leica Ms are not light weight! But that solid construction is one of the things that makes them so nice to use . They are pretty compact though, especially the lenses.
 
They are not real light though a bit lighter than the big Canons and Nikons. The lenses are small and a lot lighter. My Leica M kit does weight less that my Canon kit but it was the Canon lenses that really brought up the weight. I would say you could probably do it. I know my back, after a full day of shooting, loves the weight difference. And then there is the size difference.
 
two m10s- 1320g
two canons - 2680g

I normally have three bodies with me I couldn't use Ms need wides and long lenses all the time. I tried shooting primes for a bit 24, 50 and a 135 but a 16-35 and 70-200 is just so much more flexible and any gain in quality is lost in newspapers.
 
C'mon you boys know u are cherry picking items to compare for weights!
First off, the 200 2l is an incredible lens, that Leica has nothing to compare to.

How about comparing a 24mp FF Nikon with 50 1.8G lens to an M10 (24mp) with 50 Summicron f2 (the regular one)

D750 750g
50 1.8G 185g

Total - 935g

Leica M10 - 660g
Summicron 50 - 240g

Total 900g

So for the incredible extra weight of 35 gms with the Nikon, you get a much better sensor, AF, 4k video, much higher FPS, much deeper buffer etc etc.

But... I prefer my M and traded my D750 (for D850) as I didn't have any ' connection' to the D - it was just a tool - while using a Leica just feels so much more personal.

Want light kit? M43. My Olympus OMD is teeny and so are the really excellent lenses.
 
The 200 2L was the only Canon lens I got about what I paid for it and I had it for 8 years. Yeah it was great lens but a F/L that doesn't fit much with the type of work I do. 90 is a at long side of what I do. And I prefer the way the 90 cron APO renders over the 85L.

Where Leica really excels in my opinion is n the normal and wide lenses. I by far prefer the 35 lux FLE over the 35L by a lot. I shoot so much wide stuff anything not being FF is a deal breaker for me. I would say over 60% of what i shoot is with 35 FoV on full frame.

Again Leica cameras are not light but they are not as heavy as the big twos top of the line pro cameras. I think they are just little lighter than say a 5DIV.

I don't use or need FPS , prefer manual focus, do not need video so that stuff means nothing to me. The M 10 is the perfect digital M for me and the way I shoot and actually the original MM is still my camera for my personal work.
 
Thanks guys for sharing your photos. ...

You're welcome, thanks for viewing them.

Ducati is currently in the dog house with me for doing too much style and poseur stuff and getting very far away from the raw sporting motorcycles they were once upon a time. The latest models are nearly impossible to work on or maintain, not least of all because you cannot even get a service manual for them without buying an $800 DVD that takes a half a year to deliver.

They've done their share of faux retro silliness too over the years. 🙂 Luckily, the real race machines remain stunning works of technological merit and interest.

I spend most of my camera time looking through a camera, not at it, and most of the frippery gets ignored in short order. The M10-D "thumb rest" is an unusual case of sheesh, what the heck were they thinking? to me. The rest of it is just fine because the removal of the LCD and the rear buttons really does make the camera noticeably easier to handle and use, and I don't mind that: I can use my smartphone and the app to do configuration stuff and look at photos, and have both a better display and better access to what's normally in the menus that way anywho.

It's not like the M-D at all, though, but that's just fine. There is plenty of room for other design ideas.

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Nice new camera from Leica. Don’t get what mic drop moment this supposed to be.. Didn’t Epson rangefinder have same faux film wind thingy and every now and then it’s lauded here on RFF.

I like the control via phone aspect of it, as Leica can deliver updates easier to phone than the camera. +Phone screens are better than cameras have anyways.

Price.. well that’s another story 🙂
 
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