finguanzo
Well-known
I found out last week that there is a law in a nearby town that prohibits the "eating ice cream on Sundays" and for women o walk in public without petticoats..
there are alot of funny laws still in place..
there are alot of funny laws still in place..
climbing_vine
Well-known
And you'd willingly take your punishment while your neighbor continued being unneighborly and the same officials that are punishing you didn't do anything about it?
dfoo
Well-known
So you are the arbiter of right and wrong? Its the same tired pathetic argument that jesus freaks use to shove their morals down my throat. No thanks.
Michael Markey
Veteran
If trespassing is against the law in the States then that is a fact. I don`t know what the penality is or whether or not the courts take into account any mitigating factors. If they do then that is a function of the courts. It is not a matter for the individual as a way of justifying what is clearly deemed to be an illegal activity.
If everyone started interpreting the law to fit in with what they considered to be acceptable behaviour you would have anarchy and probably end up not being able to have conversations such as we are having now.
If everyone started interpreting the law to fit in with what they considered to be acceptable behaviour you would have anarchy and probably end up not being able to have conversations such as we are having now.
finguanzo
Well-known
LOL... oranges , huh..
excellent
Well-known
dfoo
Well-known
Not to mention segregation, anti-gay laws, anti-sodomy, anti-oral sex, no crossing the road with your sheep laws, etc. Its a game. The state makes everything illegal, so everyone commits a crime. The end result is, of course, predictable.
Michael Markey
Veteran
No (forgive me Bill) he is suggesting that the law is the arbiter of right and wrong. That is the point being made.Whether we like it or not is a sep issue and if we don`t like the laws then there are legitimate avenues which are afforded us to get those laws changed.
climbing_vine
Well-known
But until then, we should just be quiet and take what we're served by the corrupt ruling class.
Gotcha. No wonder we threw you guys out of our country.
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
I'm with Bill here. A crime is a crime. If Bill and I break into your house, take pictures, and take a dump on your kitchen floor we've committed a number of crimes. And, if you entertain options 3 through 5, you are also a criminal.
Now maybe if a photgrapher just enters via an already vandalized gate, door or window, he's only guilty of trespassing, but not vandalism.
This tolerance of crime is why our civlization is in the ****ter, plain and simple.
dfoo
Well-known
Yes, no civil disobedience. Do what you are told, whether its right or not... I guess I don't have to tell you where that leads!
excellent
Well-known
I am kind of tempted to make a manure pile just under 6 ft tall just to see what happens.
dfoo
Well-known
But that is crap! There are millions of laws on the books that are complete nonsense.
It wasn't that long ago that there were segregation laws on the books. Are you telling me that was right?! How about the anti-jewish laws in nazi-german times. That is, and always will be, nothing more than the call of the weak.
climbing_vine
Well-known
I think that's exactly the point. The person who is only guilty of trespassing, with no aggravating factors, is totally inconsequential in terms of societal impact compared to the revered "property owner" whose claim to rights with no responsibilities contributes to the harm of tens of thousands of people, or more.
To worry about the former, which wouldn't exist without the latter, seems misplaced at best.
finguanzo
Well-known
i better go get the shovel before we all get fines.
bmattock
Veteran
No, that would be the job of the government and courts for the jurisdiction in question.
bmattock
Veteran
People who engage in civil disobedience have a distinguishing characteristic. They break the law and intend to be arrested so that they can demonstrate the unfairness of that law as well as fight to have the law overturned.
Let me know when urbex types begin chaining themselves to the buildings they break into and are willingly arrested and we can agree to call what they do 'civil disobedience'.
bmattock
Veteran
Thanks, Al, sincerely.
climbing_vine
Well-known
Also... A crime is self-evidently not a crime. Exhibit #1: Different crimes have different punishments.
QED.
Your argument needs to be refined.
bmattock
Veteran
Behavior can be divided into two types. Criminal and non-criminal. There are gradations of criminal behavior, that is true. However, under no circumstances is criminal behavior non-criminal.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say 'crime is crime', but "a crime is a crime" is well understood and few would suggest that it means all crimes are the same in degree or punishment.