driggett
Established
How did you fix the framelines? Please let us know.
Thanks,
Chris
Thanks,
Chris
Rocamadour
cronopio
Im afraid I have no power over the framelines... only the rangefinder. This, however, seems to need changes for different lenses to be able to focus accuratly, at least in my camera. Is this a problem for more of you?
Jim Watts
Still trying to See.
Rocamdour,
The problem seems to be with the shape (angle) of the cams on cetain vintages of the Summicron 35mm f/2 (I have tried Canada 1975 & 1985 which both front focus) not perfectly alinging with the rangefinder cam follower. If you correct the focusing to be accurate with the Cron then lenses with a more "normal?" shape "standard?" cam would be out. My Cron as well as all my other lenses focus fine on my M4 it only happens with the R-D1. Others have reported similar focus problems with certain other specific lenses
See also my thread on Two Summicrons on an R-D1:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3936
The problem seems to be with the shape (angle) of the cams on cetain vintages of the Summicron 35mm f/2 (I have tried Canada 1975 & 1985 which both front focus) not perfectly alinging with the rangefinder cam follower. If you correct the focusing to be accurate with the Cron then lenses with a more "normal?" shape "standard?" cam would be out. My Cron as well as all my other lenses focus fine on my M4 it only happens with the R-D1. Others have reported similar focus problems with certain other specific lenses
See also my thread on Two Summicrons on an R-D1:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3936
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Rocamadour
cronopio
Bueno, then I understand. Even though its depressing I paradoxaly feel relieved (now I don´t have to return the camera...)
Gracias!
/Rocamadour
Gracias!
/Rocamadour
Jim Watts
Still trying to See.
Rocamadour,
I would be interested to know the vintage of your 35mm f/2 Summicron and the deegree of error in focus you are getting.
Also does anyone have a 35mm Cron that achieves perfect focus on the R-D1?
I would be interested to know the vintage of your 35mm f/2 Summicron and the deegree of error in focus you are getting.
Also does anyone have a 35mm Cron that achieves perfect focus on the R-D1?
ian_watts
Ian Watts
Jim, my 35 cron asph focusses absolutely fine (it's the lens I use 60-70% of the time on the RD-1).
Incidentally, Epson UK now have my RD-1 with the intention of fixing the drunken framelines. I'll let this board know whether they are able to do anything about it short of replacing the camera (which I don't want them to do).
Incidentally, Epson UK now have my RD-1 with the intention of fixing the drunken framelines. I'll let this board know whether they are able to do anything about it short of replacing the camera (which I don't want them to do).
Jim Watts
Still trying to See.
Ian,
Thanks, I thought it would not be a problem with all 35mm Cron's. As your's is asph its obviously a fairly recent example. I'm wondering if its Cron's from a certain time period 1975 - 1985? or just the Canadian ones that give the problem? I am begining to think that its just the Midland, Ontario ones as these are the only ones I have seen with the problem. My 50mm Cron is approx 1975 but is from Wetzlar and this is fine. Perhaps Midland machined the Cams slightly differently?
"Incidentally, Epson UK now have my RD-1 with the intention of fixing the drunken framelines. I'll let this board know whether they are able to do anything about it short of replacing the camera (which I don't want them to do)."
I don't know if you registered your R-D1 in the U.K. but the owners club letter I got a few days ago says "This entitles you to a loan camera should your Epson R-D1 require service in its first year".
I think Epson in the U.K. as in the U.S. have been replacing R-D1's (note Phil's experiences) because they don't have servicing facilities here. Sangers who distribute the Voigtlander Bessa's are handling the R-D1 for Epson here but I don't think they can have much of a service facility for Bessa or R-D1 repairs either. The shutter failed on my friends R3A about a month after he brought it. He returned it via his dealer and it took over two months to get it back (in the end they gave him a new one).
So I think they must be returning all Voigtlanders and R-D1's to Japan. If you held out for the promised loan rather than a replacement perhaps it would be possible to negotiate keeping that one if it was perfect or wait for yours back if not.
Thanks, I thought it would not be a problem with all 35mm Cron's. As your's is asph its obviously a fairly recent example. I'm wondering if its Cron's from a certain time period 1975 - 1985? or just the Canadian ones that give the problem? I am begining to think that its just the Midland, Ontario ones as these are the only ones I have seen with the problem. My 50mm Cron is approx 1975 but is from Wetzlar and this is fine. Perhaps Midland machined the Cams slightly differently?
"Incidentally, Epson UK now have my RD-1 with the intention of fixing the drunken framelines. I'll let this board know whether they are able to do anything about it short of replacing the camera (which I don't want them to do)."
I don't know if you registered your R-D1 in the U.K. but the owners club letter I got a few days ago says "This entitles you to a loan camera should your Epson R-D1 require service in its first year".
I think Epson in the U.K. as in the U.S. have been replacing R-D1's (note Phil's experiences) because they don't have servicing facilities here. Sangers who distribute the Voigtlander Bessa's are handling the R-D1 for Epson here but I don't think they can have much of a service facility for Bessa or R-D1 repairs either. The shutter failed on my friends R3A about a month after he brought it. He returned it via his dealer and it took over two months to get it back (in the end they gave him a new one).
So I think they must be returning all Voigtlanders and R-D1's to Japan. If you held out for the promised loan rather than a replacement perhaps it would be possible to negotiate keeping that one if it was perfect or wait for yours back if not.
pfogle
Well-known
Jim... Epson UK told me they send them to France for repairs, but I don't know who they send them to.
I've got to adjust the R/F vertical alignment a bit. I sort of expect it's a fairly bog-standard adjustment, and was thinking I'd just put it in a repair shop. Any thoughts?
What's the adjustment under the hotshoe?
Phil
I've got to adjust the R/F vertical alignment a bit. I sort of expect it's a fairly bog-standard adjustment, and was thinking I'd just put it in a repair shop. Any thoughts?
What's the adjustment under the hotshoe?
Phil
ian_watts
Ian Watts
Jim, the chap dealing with my RD-1 at Epson UK did say they would let me have a 'loaner' camera if mine was going to be away for 10 days or more. At the time I didn't think this is in line with the 'Owners Club' promise but it's a fairly reasonable policy and I didn't feel like arguing the toss with Epson about it. I'm more worried that they will mess the camera up in some way (even though I have explictly asked them not to meddle with the focussing and just address the slanted framelines issue).
Jim Watts
Still trying to See.
Phil,
Suggest you check out Ed Schwartzreic's reports:
Infra Red with the R-D1; and update of focus problems http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3549&highlight=DAG & elsewhere.
on his Rangefinder adjustment by DAG. Obviously this is in the States but the info would be useful to anyone adjusting an R-D1. Note the info about two screws.
Here is the link to the pictures of the striped R-D1 that Ed posted: http://www.imagere.com/paulwolff/rd1.htm
I have always found Sendean's in Soho to be helpful and good repairers who may help and give an estimate.
Suggest you check out Ed Schwartzreic's reports:
Infra Red with the R-D1; and update of focus problems http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3549&highlight=DAG & elsewhere.
on his Rangefinder adjustment by DAG. Obviously this is in the States but the info would be useful to anyone adjusting an R-D1. Note the info about two screws.
Here is the link to the pictures of the striped R-D1 that Ed posted: http://www.imagere.com/paulwolff/rd1.htm
I have always found Sendean's in Soho to be helpful and good repairers who may help and give an estimate.
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pfogle
Well-known
Thanks Jim,
Calumet also recommended Sendean, though from the report you linked me to, it does look as though it's a user-possible adjustment (for the vertical alignment), if I can work out how to get the hot shoe off without marking the body.
cheers
Phil
Calumet also recommended Sendean, though from the report you linked me to, it does look as though it's a user-possible adjustment (for the vertical alignment), if I can work out how to get the hot shoe off without marking the body.
cheers
Phil
Rocamadour
cronopio
Jim!
Been trying to figure out the year of my old Summicron 2/35, but can for so long only state that it´s made in canada sometime during the 80's.
Where can I find more info?
Been trying to figure out the year of my old Summicron 2/35, but can for so long only state that it´s made in canada sometime during the 80's.
Where can I find more info?
LCT
ex-newbie
Jim Watts said:
I've got front focus issues with my early 4th version of the pre-asph 35/2 as well (serial # on the back side of the aperture ring; 1st pic attached).
But no problem at all with the excellent Summicron-C 40/2 for Leica CL (2nd pic) which fits better the 35mm framelines of the R-D1 and has become my standard lens on this camera so far.
Best,
LCT
Jim Watts
Still trying to See.
Rocamadour, "Been trying to figure out the year of my old Summicron 2/35, but can for so long only state that it´s made in canada sometime during the 80's".
My 1975 was from new as was my friends 1985 so that's how I know the approximate dates for these. Stephen Gandy lists Leica body dates but I don't think he has lenses anywhere: http://www.cameraquest.com/mtype.htm
I'm sure one of the experts in the Leica Forum here or on photnet will know if you post your serial number.
LCT, "I've got front focus issues with my early 4th version of the pre-asph 35/2 as well (serial # on the back side of the aperture ring; 1st pic attached)". Your 4th version is cetainly later than the two I have tried (newer style focusing lever).
It seems that it is the Canadian 35mm f/2 Cron that give the problem as that makes 4 now.
My 1975 was from new as was my friends 1985 so that's how I know the approximate dates for these. Stephen Gandy lists Leica body dates but I don't think he has lenses anywhere: http://www.cameraquest.com/mtype.htm
I'm sure one of the experts in the Leica Forum here or on photnet will know if you post your serial number.
LCT, "I've got front focus issues with my early 4th version of the pre-asph 35/2 as well (serial # on the back side of the aperture ring; 1st pic attached)". Your 4th version is cetainly later than the two I have tried (newer style focusing lever).
It seems that it is the Canadian 35mm f/2 Cron that give the problem as that makes 4 now.
Jim Watts
Still trying to See.
I have made a post in the Leica forum re. 35mm Cron dates: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63816#post63816. Rover's link helps a little but shows both type 3 & 4 have the problem. I'm hoping we can narrow the dates further.