My last roll of Agfa APX100

Why would Kodak want to slit XX into 4x5 sheets? In 4x5 they have TMX, TMY-2 and TXP. I don't see the need, at least from a business perspective.
 
Trius said:
Why would Kodak want to slit XX into 4x5 sheets?
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I would love to have it as it is very flexible emulsion, but then TXP 320 must be very close to it in this aspect, so you are right. But I wouldn't mind XX in 120 format
 
No doubt having XX in other sizes is a good thing from for photographers in terms of choice. But for the size of the potential market, Kodak has no real incentive.
 
I'm losing faith on the Adoxpan project. It might work well on paper but they are now two years behind their schedule and Mirko has been shy about it for too long. I hope for the best but I'm not holding my breath anymore.

ORWO 54 will stay on my shopping list in case someone would start retailing it for a decent price in EU. It's not APX100 but I like what I've seen so far.
 
Trius said:
No doubt having XX in other sizes is a good thing from for photographers in terms of choice. But for the size of the potential market, Kodak has no real incentive.
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I know, I am just playing with this emulsion for the last 6 months and started to really appreciate it's potential and easy of control. It can go from rough look of 50-ties to sharp like a knife, grainless smoothness of Tmax 100. I wonder if TX can do that. Well, I intend to check it, no prospect for XX in 120. As a matter of fact, even getting TX in 120 is quite hard now days in Toronto.
 
First Maco/Rollei 3 (Orwo TC27) was made by Filmotec. And the whole industry dependends on Motion Picture because of a small materials called silver and other chemicals used in the production. The silver and chemistry prices would be much higher for small companies if it weren't for Kodak and Fuji buying such huge quantities. And Filmotec still is the only company in Germany that manufacturers or whatever they do Dye transfer materials.

Dominik
 
Mablo said:
I'm losing faith on the Adoxpan project. It might work well on paper but they are now two years behind their schedule and Mirko has been shy about it for too long. I hope for the best but I'm not holding my breath anymore.

ORWO 54 will stay on my shopping list in case someone would start retailing it for a decent price in EU. It's not APX100 but I like what I've seen so far.
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A Adox pan 100 is closer in time not to be expected.
The statement was, as long as APX 100 is still for the current price in the market, it's not worth the effort.
The Adox pan 400 is the film on which they work.

What would be a decent price for the UN54 for you?
I doubt, someone will sell it for less than filmotec itself.
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PS: No one need really DoubleX in 4x5. Or UN54/N74. Enough alternatives around which care about photographers... ;)
 
Mablo said:
I'm losing faith on the Adoxpan project. It might work well on paper but they are now two years behind their schedule and Mirko has been shy about it for too long. I hope for the best but I'm not holding my breath anymore.
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Such a film rebirth project is very very difficult. Mr. Bödecker held a presentation about this project at the first fineart forum in Paderborn.
He has to coat at least 10,000m² at InovisCoat in one production run. Investment for one production run is more than 100,000€.
The first big run of Pan 400 in 2010 failed. So 100,000€ burned.
That is lots of money for such a small company of about 10 employees like Adox/Fotoimpex is.
I guess one major reason for the delay is to raise a new fund for a new production run.

Cheers, Jan
 
DominikDUK said:
First Maco/Rollei 3 (Orwo TC27) was made by Filmotec.
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You're right.This film was made by Filmotec. I've forgotten this one in my list. The most grainy ISO 400 BW film ever made....;)

DominikDUK said:
And the whole industry dependends on Motion Picture because of a small materials called silver and other chemicals used in the production.
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That motion picture film is the most dominant, highest volume analogue product is an internet myth.
The highest volume analogue product is RA-4 paper. Because more than 80% of the printed digital shots are printed on RA-4 (via online labs, which have contracts with the big mass labs like CeWe etc; look at the quarterly reports of CeWe: Prints from digital shots on RA-4 is their core business, and it is increasing from year to year).
CeWe alone is printing billions of prints from digital shots each year.

Kodak has still three factories: Rochester, Denver, Harrow. Film is only made in Rochester. RA-4 paper is made in Denver and Harrow.

DominikDUK said:
And Filmotec still is the only company in Germany that manufacturers or whatever they do Dye transfer materials.
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No, German company InovisCoat is making Dye Transfer materials as well.

Cheers, Jan
 
Hi folks,

here is a current statement from Mr. Böddecker concerning Adox Pan 400 (made at apug):

"The film has been brought to a stage where it is now ready for a testrun. This testrun is very expensive and if succesfull yields only sellable material worth half the costs of the run.
We are currently working on financing this. As it involves loosing at least half of the funds it has to be backed by actual revenue and can´t be borrowed. This slows things down. We are not talking thousands nor tens of thousands of Euros.....
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If you want to help you could buy some MCP paper. We are currently overstocked in this product and selling it brings us both revenue and free cash ;-)

Kind regards,

Mirko"

Looks like I was quite right with my analysis that financing and fund raising is the biggest problem.

Cheers, Jan
 
hipsterdufus said:
Just ordered 20 rolls. Works out to $3.35 per roll (after shipping!). Can't find film that cheap even in America.
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Hi Eric,
Did you got the rolls already? I am asking this because a friend also ordered from them (almost a month ago) and didn't receive anything yet.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,

Alex
 
Retrotech68 said:
Hi Eric,
Did you got the rolls already? I am asking this because a friend also ordered from them (almost a month ago) and didn't receive anything yet.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,

Alex
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Yes, I actually got them in about a week. Haven't shot anything with them yet (waiting to line up some more models to work with and my next project is in color). Still, I might just do a test roll with boring shots just to test out the film/development combo. Sorry to hear about your friend.
 
Thanks for the quick reply. I guess my friend was just unlucky. I would like to hear your opinion on the film once you finish a test roll.

@Dieter: thanks for the lead. I might well order from them.

Alex
 
I would love to have a feedback on the APX100 manufactured for and distributed by Lupus Imaging (expiration date 2014). In term of densitometry, grain, contrast, Rodinal dev and curviness, please ;)

Is it the original APX100 from Agfa Verhoeven?

Is this the type of roll you get when buying APX100 from Macodirekt *today*?
 
regular said:
I would love to have a feedback on the APX100 manufactured for and distributed by Lupus Imaging (expiration date 2014). In term of densitometry, grain, contrast, Rodinal dev and curviness, please ;)

Is it the original APX100 from Agfa Verhoeven?
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What is APX100 from Agfa Verhoeven? Mr. Verhoeven was CEO for little more than three years until he sank the boat, and was hardly instrumental in furthering the existence or survival of APX100...

Lupus still distribute the original APX100, freshly cut from remaining stock cast towards the end of Agfa Imaging's insolvency period. Macodirect, DM and others sell the Lupus product.

Whether film frozen for something like eight years still is up to original spec is debatable - but the Lupus APX100 will doubtlessly have been stored to industry standard, and will be in a much better state of preservation than old stock rolls privately stored for almost a decade in a kitchen fridge. If you dared to use the latter so far, you cannot go wrong with the Lupus stuff...
 
sevo said:
What is APX100 from Agfa Verhoeven? Mr. Verhoeven was CEO for little more than three years until he sank the boat, and was hardly instrumental in furthering the existence or survival of APX100...
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Sorry, I fought Agfa Verhoeven was the name the Belgium site where (I have read) the APX100 used to be produced. (edit : Leverkusen, that was)

Thanks for the explanations.
 
regular said:
Sorry, I fought Agfa Verhoeven was the name the Belgium site where (I have read) the APX100 used to be produced.
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Agfa Gevaert (the Belgian section of the original Agfa) is in Mortsel, was not part of Agfa Imaging (and hence still exists), and did not produce APX100 (or any other consumer film - perhaps with the exception of Agfaortho). As far as I can make out, APX100 was made in Leverkusen, right next to Cologne, Germany.
 
I have been using the Agfaphoto (Lupus) branded version of APX100 intensively over the past years and could not find any fault with it. It works very well with Rodinal and also with Xtol. It is my favorite film and can be had dirt cheap at the moment, but I still think about a change, because the old stock that is currently in the market will be depleted sooner or later and I feel my money and support should rather go to a company that is still active in the film business. Another point is that I prefer it when I am able to use the same type of film over different formats and that is not possible with APX100 any more.
 
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