My Rectaflex 1300 sticky shutter curtain HELP!

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Hello everybody. I am the happy owner of a very nice and mint Rectaflex 1300 camera with a Carl Zeiss Jena f/2.8 50mm lens. The camera works fine except that the shutter curtain slows when it finishes passing from right to left after operating the shutter. I suppose this happens because the camera has not be operated for years. Would it be easy for me to fix this problem with a little lubricant? What type of lubricant can I use? I am familiar disassembling precision instruments but I have no idea what lubricant to use. I know that I cannot use 3 in 1 oil. That's the only issue I am sure of. Thanks for your help my friends, Greetings from Colombia.
EDUARDO
 

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Hello everybody. I am the happy owner of a very nice and mint Rectaflex 1300 camera with a Carl Zeiss Jena f/2.8 50mm lens. The camera works fine except that the shutter curtain slows when it finishes passing from right to left after operating the shutter. I suppose this happens because the camera has not be operated for years. Would it be easy for me to fix this problem with a little lubricant? What type of lubricant can I use? I am familiar disassembling precision instruments but I have no idea what lubricant to use. I know that I cannot use 3 in 1 oil. That's the only issue I am sure of. Thanks for your help my friends, Greetings from Colombia.
EDUARDO

There aren't any easy fixes that will actually work, plenty that will make things worse, though. Only the proper procedure of addressing all the reasons the shutter isn't running correctly will give a good result. For starters, the original shutter curtains are probably now too old and stiff to spool and unspool as briskly as they would when new. If so, no amount of lubrication will improve this. It's likely the curtain springs have lost some tension and will need adjustment, also. And after around 70 years the original lubricants used in the mechanism will be past their best.

Simply lubricating the camera mechanism is likely to be counter-productive. Even if the original curtains are still serviceable (highly unlikely, I reckon) the camera mechanism would still need to be cleaned of the original lubricants, before the correct, fresh lubricants are applied. There are no short cuts here.

A Rectaflex is a very beautiful and quite collectible classic SLR, and a historically significant one: it was just about a dead heat between the Contax S and Rectaflex as to which was the first SLR with integral pentaprism. It's not a good model, at all, to be your first camera repair project. I strongly suggest you seek the help of a skilled specialist repairer to get it working correctly.

There may be others, but the only firms I personally know of who would actually take on a Rectaflex and do an excellent job of repairing it are: Newton Ellis in the UK and; 3RCamera in New York. Given that you're in the Americas, I'd suggest you contact Radu Lesaru at 3R and ask him if you can send the camera to him for repair. He has worked on Rectaflex previously and does excellent work on ALPA and many other unusual camera designs. Personally he would be my first choice.
Cheers,
Brett
 
Thank you very much for your excellent comments and opinion. The problem of sending my camera abroad is the enormous costs involved in shipping. I will follow your advice and not touch it. I have found a couple of film cameras service centres here in Bogotá, I will investigate their reliability and if good enough, I will take the camera to the one I get most favorable opinion. I am fully aware that a Rectaflex is a gem. Besides being a beautiful piece it has a very interesting story and background. Frankly, I didn't know about the historically importance of this camera. I purchased mine in a garage sale for the equivalent of USD$30.00!!!!! The previous owner just wanted to get rid of several items he was no longer using. The camera had being stored for years and years fortunately within a very nice environment. And I purchased it mostly to help my friend to dispose of several items he had. This is how sometimes life gives you a beautiful treasure!!
 
$30, wow. That is a real score. Congratulations. I would love one. They're fascinating and beautiful cameras. If you should have any family or close friends travelling to the USA over the next few months, perhaps it might be possible to get them to take the Rectaflex with them, to pass on to 3R? Good luck with the repair. If I was fortunate enough to own a Rectaflex, I would absolutely want to use it. And if you get it working, by all means, please post some photos made with it.
Cheers,
Brett
 
$30, wow. That is a real score. Congratulations. I would love one. They're fascinating and beautiful cameras. If you should have any family or close friends travelling to the USA over the next few months, perhaps it might be possible to get them to take the Rectaflex with them, to pass on to 3R? Good luck with the repair. If I was fortunate enough to own a Rectaflex, I would absolutely want to use it. And if you get it working, by all means, please post some photos made with it.
Cheers,
Brett

Hi Brett, thanks for your comment. Yes, if I know of someone travelling to the USA it is a great opportunity. By the way, I did some testing a few minutes ago and the shutter only slows down on slow speeds. From 1/200 up, it works fine!! What do you think of this? And naturally, as soon as I take some nice photos with it, up they will go here.
Best wishes,
EDUARDO
 
Hi Brett, thanks for your comment. Yes, if I know of someone travelling to the USA it is a great opportunity. By the way, I did some testing a few minutes ago and the shutter only slows down on slow speeds. From 1/200 up, it works fine!! What do you think of this? And naturally, as soon as I take some nice photos with it, up they will go here.
Best wishes,
EDUARDO
Hi Eduardo,
It's encouraging that the mechanism is basically functional, of course. It's generally a great deal easier to make one run well if it is basically in sound order and needing servicing and probably new curtains, than rehabilitating an example which is terminally worn or has broken parts. Having said that, even if the higher speeds of your Rectaflex sound OK it doesn't necessarily mean the times will be accurate. Being a focal plane shutter the blinds need to travel across the film gate at the correct speed and in the correct relationship to each other to achieve good exposure right across the image frame. You would quite likely find that if the shutter accuracy was checked at the beginning, centre and end of the film gate there may be considerable variation.

This is not a particular criticism of the Rectaflex, by the way Eduardo. In original, untouched condition, many cameras of a similar age using cloth focal plane shutter curtains would also run unevenly. It simply reflects the effects of age on the suppleness of fabric curtain material, and how even minor changes in friction in the mechanisms (due to a need for fresh lubrication and/or adjustment) can alter the speed at which the curtains travel, and consequently, the slit widths at the faster speeds. It's all fairly typical stuff that will impact many classic mechanisms across the whole spectrum of value and desirability from ALPA to Zenit.

In the (unlikely, I think) event your cameras high speeds are actually still accurate, I could only offer some general observations about why the middle and slower speeds might be recalcitrant, but not the higher ones. I do not know enough about the Rectaflex mechanism to comment specifically. But in common with most other classic focal plane shutters of similar age, it likely reflects the need for servicing and cleaning of the mechanism in general, and of the speed escapement (or escapements, some designs do have more than one) in particular, which are not being engaged at the high speeds (and hence, will not impact the accuracy of those speeds).

I suppose that brings us back to where we started, Ie. that careful servicing of the camera and probably new curtains is dictated. But what you've mentioned all sounds fairly promising, as it seems the camera is doing its best to work despite the effects of age on fabric and lubricants. It's the sort of prospect I'd be delighted to find myself, let alone at your purchase price.

It is not easy to find hard information about the longevity and reliability of the Rectaflex cameras. The later, re-designed Lichtenstein variants, whilst highly collectible, do not have a good reputation for longevity. As I recall, my friend and photographic author Ivor Matanle did not recommend the Rectaflex as a camera for frequent use, when, in the 1980s, his book Collecting and Using Classic SLRs was published. In part I think this reflects the historical importance of this line of cameras, their relative rarity, and status as collectibles. But were I in your shoes (and I wish I was!), then, I would repair a Rectaflex and absolutely use it. And if I enjoyed the experience and liked the resulting images (and on past experience with all sorts of odd, rare or unusual designs, I probably would!), then, I expect I would want to use one rather a lot. But I have always believed cameras, even the most beautiful types,, are functional objects and made for the purpose of creating images, so regularly take out all sorts, such as Praktinas, pre-war Contaxes, or ALPAs. I suspect that if you take care to learn the peculiarities of its design, heed any particular instructions about Eg. setting various speeds, and operate its controls carefully and with mechanical sympathy, it will probably stand up to regular use OK. It's most likely better for the camera to be used regularly but carefully than to languish in a cabinet for months or years at a time, anyway. Leaving one to sit unused for extended periods is probably the best way of all to ensure that a camera will not run very well.

Keep me in the loop please. I'll likely never own a Rectaflex myself (although, I also said that about ALPA, once) however it's certainly a model on my list of dream cameras to own.
Cheers,
Brett
 
Thanks Brett for your very interesting and useful response. I appreciate this very much.
As stated before, I am going to pass a couple of black and white rolls to see what happens. I am just waiting for some good weather. These days have been gray, cold and rainy!! I also agree that old cameras, or any other antiques like radios, etc. should be collected in working condition. I consider that having a camera, for example, that doesn't work is just a heavy piece to stop a door from closing!! That is why I want to return my Rectaflex as much as possible to a pristine working condition taking of course into consideration the age of the camera. Fortunately, as stated before, my camera is in almost new condition. It seems the original owner or owners seldom used it.

By the way, I also have a Zeiss Ikon Contaflex Series BC. What is your opinion on this camera?

EDUARDO
 
Thanks Brett for your very interesting and useful response. I appreciate this very much.
As stated before, I am going to pass a couple of black and white rolls to see what happens. I am just waiting for some good weather. These days have been gray, cold and rainy!! I also agree that old cameras, or any other antiques like radios, etc. should be collected in working condition. I consider that having a camera, for example, that doesn't work is just a heavy piece to stop a door from closing!! That is why I want to return my Rectaflex as much as possible to a pristine working condition taking of course into consideration the age of the camera. Fortunately, as stated before, my camera is in almost new condition. It seems the original owner or owners seldom used it.

By the way, I also have a Zeiss Ikon Contaflex Series BC. What is your opinion on this camera?
EDUARDO

Eduardo,
You have asked the right person.

A Super BC (or any Contaflex, for that matter) is not a camera for everyone. The limited range of lenses, none faster than f/2.8, and the lack of an instant return mirror make it a non-starter for many photographers accustomed to the conveniences and sheer flexibility of a modern, focal plane shutter SLR.

Don’t take that as condemnation of the model however, because I have a Super BC, myself (actually, I have all the different Contaflexes with the better Tessar lens fitted) and I’ve used mine quite a lot, probably more than any other Contaflex I have. So I know from personal experience how superb its standard 50mm Tessar is, and also that, despite the inherent limitations a modular system places on choice of focal lengths and optical performance, the Pro Tessar lenses Zeiss manufactured especially for the Contaflex III–S series actually rate a darned sight better than some theory textbooks and casual commentators might suggest. The 115mm Pro Tessar is the weakest of the three most common additional lenses, but the 35mm and 85mm are very good, indeed.

The camera itself is both constructed and finished to a very high standard (with the arguable exception of the battery compartment hatch) and features a bright focusing screen, full electronic flash synchronisation across all shutter speeds and the ability to fit interchangeable film magazines for mid-roll changes of film at will, a feature shared by only a very small number of other 35mm cameras (Eg Kodak Ektra, Mamiya Magazine 35, Rolleiflex 2000/3000 series and a very few others, including, of course, Zeiss’s own Contarex range).

Until I became rather pre-occupied with Contax rangefinders and ALPA reflexes over the last couple of years or so various Contaflexes were my main 35mm camera system. I have a compact but versatile kit including the 35mm, 85mm and 115mm Pro Tessars, a magazine back each for black and white, colour negative and colour transparency, the accessory tripod bracket for use with the magazines (same part for Contarexes), the right angle finder, set of Zeiss Proxar close up lenses (sharp), Contapol polariser, Zeiss cable release, and a few other bits and pieces. This all fits into a small bag and gives enough versatility to cover most general imaging activities.

I’m rather enamoured of Synchro Compur shutters in general, they’re reliable, smooth, and long-lasting. Place a Contaflex on even a lightweight tripod, set the self timer to pre-release the mirror and rear capping plate and you will not find a 35mm SLR with less vibration (well, OK, except perhaps Voigtländers beautiful but complex Bessamatic which might be even a touch softer because of where the shutter is in it).

I also have the Teleskop portrait attachment for Contaflex and Contaflex II and the genuine Zeiss copy stand for Contaflex and Contarex here. Eventually I would like to get the Zeiss Monocular and the M1:1 Pro Tessar for macro photography because I would then have pretty much the whole Contaflex camera system.

I did this image of a classic Triumph twin a few years ago with my own Super BC and the 85mm f/3.2 Pro Tessar. Film was Fuji’s original Velvia (RVP) loaded into a Zeiss magazine back. The stellar results the Zeiss lens coatings can give with colour film are actually a good reason for me to get the kit out soon and load another roll of RVP.
Cheers,
Brett

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High Brett, It is so nice to talk to a super expert on certain subjects one really ignore. Please check the photo of my camera. Unfortunately, the right hand side small carrying strap hook is missing. Do you happen to know where can I find one? Apart from that and some small paint scratches on the foolish battery door, it is in general good shape. (Check photo) I got the manual from the web and will give a thorough study and test. I am surprised by its "removable" lens just a small part up front. This camera, like the Rectaflex, has been stored for several years. Do you think the light meter might be damaged or not accurate? What other issues might be wrong? Again your help is appreciated.

The motorcycle photo is fantastic. It seems it is a very good camera.

Thanks again
EDUARDO
 

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Eduardo, I have a Rectaflex that I put new curtains into and cleaned up. Some models had "jeweled" slow speed escapement (gearing similar to that in Barnack type Leica). The designer of the Rectaflex cameras, Telemunco Corsi, maybe spelling off, has a patent on the shutter 2nd curtain roller that has the ability to adjust the shutter end separation, and accelleration.. I found the shutter cloth on Ebay from a Japanese supplier, rubber backed polyester, which works fine. It is very important to square up the curtain ends. I used double sided masking tape to test out operation before permanently installing the new curtain cloth. Get a copy of the Corsi patent and have a look. The viewfinder is fabulous on this camera in the later versions as the center prism focus assist magnifies itself with longer lenses. There are very close lens mount designs for some 1960's manufacturers which can be adapted to the Corsi Rectaflex mount without much trouble that make this camera a "user". It seems to have been designed for professionals primarily. I will post some pictures as I have a second camera which has a need for shutter cloth replacement but which otherwise needed some "Shakespere fishing reel oil" which though not watch oil is very very light, sparingly, under the shutter speed setting mechanism and where the 1st curtain roller ends attach behind the film aperture plate. If you attempt to remove that plate you might patiently first dab the four screws with "PB Blaster" with a q'tip for 2-4 days in a row first, dry off well and no matter what use a screwdriver with a thick handle and a standard end that fits just right so as not to mar the beauty of the camera. Of course, you might leave that to a camera repair professional, The Rectaflex is a beautifully designed camera and the mirror return IMHOP works without any detraction....NO matter what , avoid at all costs getting oil on or tangling the shutter ribbon, in the gearing of the 2nd curtain, a very delicate job to untangle, which is common FWIHS, These are attached to the shutter curtain slats and the rollers...the rollers and curtain thickness are part of the design and affect acceleration. Replacing the shutter ribbon, or re-attaching, looks more complex than the curtains. Because of age most of these cameras will have pin holes in the curtains....for what is worth.
 
Hi, Everyone!
I am repairing a Rectaflex 1300, which was being sold as fully working, but which I discovered would not wind on and o which both curtains have detached. The surprising thing is that the curtains on this camera are in actual rubber (Pirelli??), rather than the usual rubberised cloth. THe curtains do not look like replacements, as the camera has obviously not been disassembled before.
Has anyone read or heard of Rectaflexes with rubber curtains?
 
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