ChrisLivsey
Veteran
"The word “guarantee” should not be used in a way that could confuse consumers about their legal rights but may be used colloquially provided the meaning is clear."
https://www.asa.org.uk/advice-online/guarantees-and-warranties.html
I think we say "take it with a pinch of salt".
Let's not go to the M8 "upgradable forever" shall we?
ptpdprinter
Veteran
That is a question only you can answer.
ChrisLivsey
Veteran
Which lens would you like to have for $2575 ?
Will that have more of a beneficial effect on your photography than owning an M262 with your current lenses rather than an M9 and an extra lens?
Can you see a difference in images posted here or elsewhere similar to your work between the M9 and the M262 that would justify that cost?
Can you see images posted here or elsewhere using a lens that you think would be nice/useful/interesting to own.
In five years time which will have retained most monetary value, an M262 or a lens?
Just answer these yourself and perhaps add - where could I go for $2575 and take some amazing photographs with what I already own?
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Summing up my personal opinion:
Yes, buying the M-D 262 certainly was for me; it was worth buying it outright at a slightly discounted from MSRP price. It is without a doubt the M that has become my favorite of all that I've owned in either film or digital Ms (six film, three digital). (I've kept my favorite of the film Ms too, the M4-2.)
I agree that only the OP can determine the right answer for him.
And again, the M-D 262 is not a 'fatter body'. In any way that counts, it actually feels slimmer than the M9 did and, in measurements, isn't anyway.
What other things and what travel I might spend my money on is largely unimportant to this decision, for me at least. Because I'd do those things and buy those things anyway, regardless what camera I bought.
Yes, buying the M-D 262 certainly was for me; it was worth buying it outright at a slightly discounted from MSRP price. It is without a doubt the M that has become my favorite of all that I've owned in either film or digital Ms (six film, three digital). (I've kept my favorite of the film Ms too, the M4-2.)
I agree that only the OP can determine the right answer for him.
And again, the M-D 262 is not a 'fatter body'. In any way that counts, it actually feels slimmer than the M9 did and, in measurements, isn't anyway.
What other things and what travel I might spend my money on is largely unimportant to this decision, for me at least. Because I'd do those things and buy those things anyway, regardless what camera I bought.
The manual frame line lever IS present on the M-D typ262, the M10, M-P typ240, M Monochrom typ246, and the film cameras. NOT present on the M typ240 and M typ262
MikeChong
oldskhool
I was very close to purchasing an M9-P, new sensor, wonderful condition...but an M-D 262 became available and I took a leap of faith to give that a try, given the positive feedback from the current users of the M-D. It is now my favourite digital M, I still own the M240 but I can't see any reason to hold on to it. The sensor issue is and will always be a negative associated with the M9's, (replaced or not replaced sensor) so I'm happy in retrospect that I avoided it. I was just at Tamarkin Camera and held the M10, yes it's thinner, might be a touch lighter, all positives but the M-D without that screen gives it a run for the money. Feels great in the hands, in my opinion no need for any thumb support attachment, and it takes great photos which convert very well to B&W.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Hmm. Well, i feel cheated: it's certainly not there on my M-D, i pulled it out of my bag to check again... i wonder who made off with it?
ptpdprinter
Veteran
It shows up in the ad photos and is referenced in the manual. Perhaps it was only on the prototype and later dropped. Is a poll is in order?Hmm. Well, i feel cheated: it's certainly not there on my M-D, i pulled it out of my bag to check again... i wonder who made off with it?
a.noctilux
Well-known
Godfrey is joking
.On my M-D which is not a prototype, the field selection lever is very discrete but it's definitely at same place as other Ms that have it.
My other M (type 262) lack it.
Sometimes, in use, I forgot that the M262 has no such lever, only return to reality when the searching finger find nothing there.
Talking about M-D, in use it's the best digital M :angel: that I use :
- using this M-D has nothing common with other M
- feeling in hand without LCD is an unique experience in digital M
- comparing to M10, handling is better even if it's a bit thicker, digits can place anywhere comfortably, at the back
- no worry on battery life is another plus
- at first, the remaining "frames" show on each shutter trip bothered me, but in use it's a plus now, I don't "see" it anymore
Could I be that nuts? So I checked again, and yes indeed my M-D does have the frame preview lever, and yes it was the M-D not my M240... Mine was new from B&H in November 2016. Mystery about yours...Hmm. Well, i feel cheated: it's certainly not there on my M-D, i pulled it out of my bag to check again... i wonder who made off with it?
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Yes, I was joking: the frame preview lever is there on the M-D. I just use it so little it might as well not be. ;-)
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Beemermark
Veteran
One compelling reason to stick with the Leica M series (including film) is I already own every lens I want. Way too many in fact. IF I didn't love the lenses so much I would seriously consider throwing the M9 in the garbage. But you bring up a good point, what else could I buy with the $2175. maybe a down payment on my tax bill?
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Hmm. Wouldn't it be nice to get the latest, best quality body for those lenses? The M9, released in 2009, was Leica's first full-frame digital camera. Perhaps they've improved things a little since it was designed/developed in 2007-2009. We're a quarter of the way through 2018 now, a whole decade later.
Even the Leica M film cameras were improved significantly over any 10 year period of their manufacture as a general rule.
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Chuffed Cheese
Established
Yeah, if you're packing that much lens kit for the M system, I'd upgrade to something newer. M10 seems to be the go-to. I couldn't afford that, so I opted for an M240 and am pleased as punch with it.
gdmcclintock
Well-known
I am confused... A few weeks ago I received my M9 with the new, corrosion-free sensor.
I was under the impression that the new sensor would not develop the corrosion problem that plagued the M9. Am I mistaken?
Anyway the M9 works great (so far) both outside and in the studio, using strobes.
I was under the impression that the new sensor would not develop the corrosion problem that plagued the M9. Am I mistaken?
Anyway the M9 works great (so far) both outside and in the studio, using strobes.
Fraser
Well-known
I always feel if it takes so long to decide on something you should either go the cheapest route or do nothing.
I wouldn't keep with a system just because you have lots of lenses one of the great things about Leica is how easy it is to sell. You could always sell some stuff and buy an M10.
I wouldn't keep with a system just because you have lots of lenses one of the great things about Leica is how easy it is to sell. You could always sell some stuff and buy an M10.
Fraser
Well-known
I don't think Leica film cameras have improved at all since the M2, maybe digital Ms have improved I certainly hope so! but photography hasn't got any better since 2009.
nightfly
Well-known
I got mine replaced in 2015. Worked great till I recently noticed a similar issue to the one that caused me to send in initially. Might just be stuck pixels or something but I'm waiting to hear back from Leica. Hoping they don't hold my camera hostage for several months again.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
My M-E is 2015 made. It has old sensor which corroded. "Few weeks ago" shouldn't, but some are skeptical.
Something I want to mention regarding OP. M240 and its flavors are absolutely more advanced technically than M9 series. But... While M9 sensor is often (IMO) limited in DR, M240 sensor is not impressive either. Two days ago I looked at M240 sensor pictures on Flickr and LUF and I wasn't impressed at all... M9 sensor at least has incredible clearness, which is noise free at low ISO under bright light or with flash. IMO.
Something I want to mention regarding OP. M240 and its flavors are absolutely more advanced technically than M9 series. But... While M9 sensor is often (IMO) limited in DR, M240 sensor is not impressive either. Two days ago I looked at M240 sensor pictures on Flickr and LUF and I wasn't impressed at all... M9 sensor at least has incredible clearness, which is noise free at low ISO under bright light or with flash. IMO.
Darthfeeble
But you can call me Steve
I would repair the M9, no one is going to be manufacturing CCD sensor cameras in the future I'd bet and the images from such are unique.