Neopan 1600 in DD-X?

[photophorous]

I know there are already a bunch of Neopan 1600 threads floating around, but there's not much talk of using it with DD-X. So, I'm looking for input from those who use this combo.

The recommended time for Neopan 1600 @1600 in DD-X, 1:4, is 5 mins...a little shorter than I like. How does this time work for you?

Has anyone tried it with DD-X diluted 1:9? Does that result in more accutance or bigger grain? What was your time?

Has anyone tried stand development to lower contrast...or is that a bad idea?

I did a stupid thing and shot three rolls at a couple of friends' weddings (not as the official photog), so I plan to shoot a few test rolls before developing the important ones. I just want to get my tests started off right. I scan my film, so lower contrast and smoother grain are good.

Thanks,
Paul

 

[kully]

Hallo Paul,

All of my Neopan1600 has gone through DD-X 1:4 for 5mins at 20C so far. Here are some shots from my flickr: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=neopan1600&w=36646756@N00

I was concerned about the 5 min time too, but I got used to it after a few tanks.

Never tried 1:9, would be interested in your findings.

For what it's worth I normally expose it for 1/2 stop more, but then I'm sure my meter & metering would give a different reading to yours in any case 🙂

 

[photophorous]

Hi Kully,

Thanks for the info. Your results are very encouraging. They look great!

I just put the first test roll in my camera, so it may be a while before I have any results, but I'll make sure to post some when I do.

Paul

 

[visiondr]

Neopan 1600 @ 320 ISO, HC-110 dilution H for 7 min (std agitation - initial 30", then 1-2 inversions/min)


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/2578863207_83f6f7482c_o.jpg

 

[Teus]

Neopan 1600 @ 320 ISO, HC-110 dilution H for 7 min (std agitation - initial 30", then 1-2 inversions/min)


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/2578863207_83f6f7482c_o.jpg

looks good... too bad its, ISO 320, hah.

DD-X is great dev, but I wouldn't push neopan1600 any higher. 1:4 is OK, but I would prefer 1:9 for slightly more sharpness, less contrast (more speed) and economy

 

[photophorous]

Ron, thanks for the example. Seems to be a very versatile film.

Teus, do you have a time for the 1:9 dilution shot at 1600? Does more sharpness mean it's also grainier?

Thanks,
Paul

 

[Teus]

Teus, do you have a time for the 1:9 dilution shot at 1600? Does more sharpness mean it's also grainier?

don't have it at hand, sorry. you might check the massive dev chart. extrapolate times yourself if needed.. It's a bit grainier, yes. Most developers with standard dilution are a bit too soft to me.

 

[palec]

I was going to try it for some time, today I developed Neopan 1600 in DD-X 1+9, 20 ˚C, 8:30 min (5 + 70 %), but the negatives are thinner compared to 1+4 dillution at 5 min. I'll scan them after some flattening. Next time I'll try adding 1 minute.

 

[kully]

Thanks for posting that palec, I look forward to hearing about your results wt 9:30.

 

[palec]

I'm not happy with results with dev time 9:30.
Maybe the whole 70%+ estimate was wrong as I've just found mention of 125-175% which sounds too long for me. I haven't done any precise tests, just I don't like the resulting tonality and the negative is still thin. I'm out of DD-X now, so I'll continue someday later.

 

[photophorous]

Well, I finally got around to developing that test roll. I used the 1:4 dilution at 68 degrees F for 5 minutes and I'm very pleased with the results. Shadow detail came out better than I expected and sharpness is good despite relatively fine grain. Thanks to everyone who commented.

Paul

Here's an example:

 

[alexz]

Can't speak for DD-X, I tried Neopan 1600 in HC-110 and Microphen.
Massive Dev. Chart suggests under 5 min dev time (for stock solution) which sounds a bit short for me either so I dropped the temp to 16 deg in order to achieve 5 min. time. After two attempts of extreme contrast at those settings I (which suggests for probable shorter dev time) I'm leaning to drop Neopan 1600 (even exposed at approx. 1200) + Microphen combination because shorting the time would bring me under 5 min. which is kind of red line I set for my processing, that is for as low as 16 deg. C.
In HC-110 the contrast has been even worse...
Having said that, admittedly, I mostly consider shooting such high speed films for low-light high contrast circumstances which are quite demanding by themselves...

 

[photophorous]

alexz, have you tried using higher dilutions? I have not used either of those developers, but I think you should be able to use longer times if you use higher dilutions. I've also developed Neopan 1600 in D76 stock and it worked pretty well at about 7 minutes.

Paul

 

[vieri]

I use Neopan 1600 @ 1600 or 1350 ~, develop it in 510-Pyro for about 9 min @ 24'C and am quite happy with the results. You can see some images here:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61528
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61348
(the Prague night shots threads)

and here:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61297
(some concert images)

Good luck with your quest 😀

 

[alexz]

alexz, have you tried using higher dilutions? I have not used either of those developers, but I think you should be able to use longer times if you use higher dilutions. I've also developed Neopan 1600 in D76 stock and it worked pretty well at about 7 minutes.

Paul

higher dilutions of Microphen ? No, only stock so far. Perhaps will indeed give Neopan 1600 another cahnce but in higher dilutions...thanks for the hint

 

[photophorous]

higher dilutions of Microphen ? No, only stock so far. Perhaps will indeed give Neopan 1600 another cahnce but in higher dilutions...thanks for the hint

I'm really not sure about Microphen, but that is the general rule. According digital truth, HC-110 dilution B should give you 7 minutes.

 

[pfoto]

See the 2nd pic. in the PN thread below:

http://photo.net/leica-rangefinders-forum/00E1zO

 

[alexz]

I'm really not sure about Microphen, but that is the general rule. According digital truth, HC-110 dilution B should give you 7 minutes.

The only solution I came upon over internet and in the datasheet (if my memory serves me well) is 1:1 for Microphen, but unfortunately, Massive Dev. chart doesn't offer dev. regime for Neopan at 1600 for any dilution aside of stock.
Perhaps I shall try 1:! myself and see what will happen...

Having said said, I'm aware about dilution approach - I regularily process my Tri-X in HC-110 in dil. H quite successfully, but neither of my attempts to push in HC-110 (have yet tried highly diluted, semi-stand approach though) yielded reasonable results at 1600 or thereabouts of Tri-X or Neopan. That is why I switched to Microphen for pushing.