Nachkebia
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full frame 18 megapixel nikon? are we in some kind of japanese digital heaven? 
if it is true I am ordering it
if it is true I am ordering it Never Satisfied
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Hi all, I'm exicted if there is even a shred of thruth about this rumer. As has been said a few times that Sony make the chips for Nikon, if Nikon gets full frame then undoubtedly I will get a full frame sensor for my evil Minolta SLR lenses Cheers Andrew.
Cheers Andrew.
Dr. Strangelove
Cobalt thorium G
Well, there are other sensor providers besides Sony, so theoretically Nikon might decide to get their FF sensors elsewhere. At least Kodak has the capacity to manufacture FF sensors. Fujifilm probably could make one too, if they really wanted, although it would probably of the Super-CCD type and have a relatively low true resolution (but excellent dynamic range).Never Satisfied said:Hi all, I'm exicted if there is even a shred of thruth about this rumer. As has been said a few times that Sony make the chips for Nikon, if Nikon gets full frame then undoubtedly I will get a full frame sensor for my evil Minolta SLR lenses
If Sony has a FF sensor in the works, then Nikon will mostly likely use that, but there is still no real evidence that Sony has one anywhere near production stage.
And if one believed the rumours, the first Nikon FF DSLR should have been released more than a year ago...
keithwms
Established
Let's see.
if the camera is FF but is still able to use the DX lenses, that would obviously be possible only in some sort of 1.5x crop mode.
So if crop mode means the usual 1.5x factor, and if the FF sensor is truly 18mp, then it looks like the full frame image size will be roughly 5200x3450 pixels. That would enable ~12.4 mp capture in 1.5x crop mode, and ~18mp capture in FF mode. If I did the math right. And that would indeed appeal to current D2x users as well as reluctant filmies such as myself.
Could be nice, although I fear that Nikon has left us Nikon FF users twisting in the wind for too long to make much of a splash: most Nikon FF users have already moved over to the Canon camp.
Based on Nikon's marketing strategy as revealed through their recent releases, I guess I'd expect a very cheapified version of the D2x to appear before long! I'm not knocking the d40x though, I admit that thing is pretty fun for travel.
if the camera is FF but is still able to use the DX lenses, that would obviously be possible only in some sort of 1.5x crop mode.
So if crop mode means the usual 1.5x factor, and if the FF sensor is truly 18mp, then it looks like the full frame image size will be roughly 5200x3450 pixels. That would enable ~12.4 mp capture in 1.5x crop mode, and ~18mp capture in FF mode. If I did the math right. And that would indeed appeal to current D2x users as well as reluctant filmies such as myself.
Could be nice, although I fear that Nikon has left us Nikon FF users twisting in the wind for too long to make much of a splash: most Nikon FF users have already moved over to the Canon camp.
Based on Nikon's marketing strategy as revealed through their recent releases, I guess I'd expect a very cheapified version of the D2x to appear before long! I'm not knocking the d40x though, I admit that thing is pretty fun for travel.
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NIKON KIU
Did you say Nippon Kogaku
Dr. Strangelove said:
Nikon has been using SONY sensors for a loooooong time...
Folks this is true, it's all over http://www.nikonians.org/ too(how do you like that for spreading rumors?).
Kiu
einolu
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jlw said:
Yup, thats why I like the Mamiya 7 over any Hassalblad or clones. I feel more certain about focusing with a rangefinder. Focusing screens give me a headache because I can't notice the tiny changes in sharpness from focusing manually. I don't think many people can because thats just not how the eyes work, which is probably why AF SLRs are such a big hit, heh.
Now when will we have a digital medium format rangefinder...
GeneW
Veteran
I've been itching for a D200 for some time now, but may hold off until this fall to watch for new developments. By DSLR standards the D200 is a bit long in the tooth. Two things I'd like to see in a D300 would be better sensor quality at higher iso and some form of sensor dust removal, a la Olympus, Pentax, and Canon.
Gene
Gene
pvdhaar
Peter
The D200 may appear long in the tooth to some, but the prices over here aren't dropping yet, which is most often a sure sign that stock is cleared. Prices that I do see dropping are on the D80; something that I initially found extraordinary as it's so recent.GeneW said:
But thinking it over, it's not very dissimmilar to how things went when the D70 was introduced. The D100 remained available very long after the D70 hit the streets. In fact you could buy the D100 till somewhere around the time the D70s/D50 came out.
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
People are still buying it, prices are still high, so from a manufacturer's viewpoint it's not long in the tooth. If a camera model that's 19 months old appears long in the tooth to some, it means that some users are really subscribing to the today's-model-is-bad-because-tomorrow's-model-will-be-better meme.GeneW said:
Maybe it's because Canon has this marketing approach of incremental minor camera revisions that make it appear like there's a lot of progress going on because camera model numbers keep increasing, but I don't know anyone who actually was eager to sell his 400D for a 450D (except version number junkies who also updated from Windows XP to Vista as soon as it came out). The D200 is an excellent camera (and I'm not a Nikonian).
From practically all users of the new DLSR generation around me I hear that sensor dust removal by shaking it a little bit appears to be rather useless and mainly a marketing gag. Nikon will probably put it in regardless, just for marketing reasons. The Olympus E-1 appears to be the only camera where sensor dust removal actually does something.GeneW said:
Philipp
Dr. Strangelove
Cobalt thorium G
I agree. The "DSLR standards" are also changing and the very rapid advancements of the early 2000's are over. From now on it will only be minor improvements in most categories. For marketing reasons they will still appear a bit more often than during the film age, since digital has been a great way for camera manufacturers to sell tech enthusiasts, pros and rich amateurs a new camera almost every year and they want to keep that going as long as possible.rxmd said:
However, we are already at the point where new DSLRs only provide mostly potential and in practice seldom needed improvements. There are a lot of people out there still using their 20D(a) and D70(s) cameras and producing as good images for most real life purposes as the people with newer 30D and D80 cameras. The 350D vs 400D is even better example. In fact the only really useful new improvements after the introduction of the Canon 1Ds Mark II and 5D have been brought by the Fijifilm FinePix S5 Pro, which finally introduces a (nearly) no compromise digital alternative (notice: not "replacement" like the digipundits would say) to portrait negative film.
So, if the Nikon & Sony FF sensor camera rumor is true, it will probably be the last really major, no marketing BS improvement for the rest of this decade and even that would only be a major advancement for Nikon and Minolta/Sony users, since Canon already has FF DSLRs.
IGMeanwell
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I have to imagine there is still room to grow
Especially in the department of dynamic range...
Honestly the major improvement I would like to see for all DSLRs is viewfinder size, the D80 viewfinder is great but everytime I go from that to my Minolta X-370 its like going from a 27 inch TV to a 60 inch wide screen
Also I think there are certain things left unexplored
for instance, Kodak is developing sensors based on the new pixel patterns... so who knows there might be a whole generation of non-bayer pattern sensors on their way
We have yet to see what that pattern can achieve
I can't believe that CMOS, APS-C, Foveon and Super CCD sensors are the end all be all of digital advancement.
Especially in the department of dynamic range...
Honestly the major improvement I would like to see for all DSLRs is viewfinder size, the D80 viewfinder is great but everytime I go from that to my Minolta X-370 its like going from a 27 inch TV to a 60 inch wide screen
Also I think there are certain things left unexplored
for instance, Kodak is developing sensors based on the new pixel patterns... so who knows there might be a whole generation of non-bayer pattern sensors on their way
We have yet to see what that pattern can achieve
I can't believe that CMOS, APS-C, Foveon and Super CCD sensors are the end all be all of digital advancement.
pvdhaar
Peter
There are other things that still plague DSLRs, and that would present a breakthrough.Dr. Strangelove said:
Limited dynamic range is the most obvious of them, although I must admit that Fuji is showing that it attempts to do something about it with the S5.
Didier
"Deed"
Tuolumne said:
Sounds like the usual rumour- and vapourware which begins with "have been told" and "by well infomed sources" - leading to useless discussions as if such a camera would already exist. On Nikon forums like Nikonians.org, where there are at least 20'000 "well informed sources", they talk about it as one of many rumours around Nikon's new flagship. Most rumours talk about 1.1x crop and 16MP, now your "well informed friend" comes with 18MP/fullframe. He must be member of Nikon's executive board I guess.
When Nikon will communicate the specs of their flagship I'll likely participate in the discussions around it. It will be even more interesting to discuss it when the camera is available and tested (with Nikon that can take 6-9 months after the announcement, remember D200). But otherwise I'm slightly rid of "well informed sources" stuff.
Didier
Dr. Strangelove
Cobalt thorium G
There will be improvements in DR and other areas as well, but for the most part they will not be drastic and will not provide a huce incentive to buy a new camera every new generation. Of course when years go by the improvements accumulate and a DSLR in year 2015 will certainly be a whole lot better than the current ones.IGMeanwell said:
What I meant was that the rate of improvement will not be as great as it used to be, and will slowly start to approach the more pedestrian rate of improvement familiar from film cameras and film emulsion technology. For example, if you take a film or SLR camera from year 1985 and compare them to SLR cameras and films from year 2000, the latter will certainly be much better in most respects, but on the other you may not need all the features of the later camera.
adonf
Member
keithwms said:
But you did it wrong
5200/1.5x3450/1.5 = 8 mp only
IGMeanwell
Well-known
Take a look at this press release
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0707/07071701sonycmosinvestment.asp
Well I would say that this is pointing to Sony most likely putting a CMOS sensor in their professional camera for this fall
Their not making all those sensors only for canon
edit: Before someone points out the obvious, yes it states compact in there, but with Canon moving to start producing their own CMOS chips (just announced yesterday), I believe this just re-affirms that Sony is looking to have a 35mm sized sensor in their new pro-camera and with that much money involved possibly Nikon is on board
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0707/07071701sonycmosinvestment.asp
Well I would say that this is pointing to Sony most likely putting a CMOS sensor in their professional camera for this fall
Their not making all those sensors only for canon
edit: Before someone points out the obvious, yes it states compact in there, but with Canon moving to start producing their own CMOS chips (just announced yesterday), I believe this just re-affirms that Sony is looking to have a 35mm sized sensor in their new pro-camera and with that much money involved possibly Nikon is on board
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Finder
Veteran
I read the press release. No mention of 35mm sensors. Maybe they will just make better APS-C size sensors. The problem with reading between the lines is there is nothing there.
Dr. Strangelove
Cobalt thorium G
Quite right. We can be fairly sure that Sony wants to make better APS-C size sensors and very likely CMOS sensors for compact digicams as well. Still no confirmation to the FF sensor rumors, however. They are certainly a possibility, but I would not bet my life on that.Finder said:
NIKON KIU
Did you say Nippon Kogaku
What is next for Nikon?
They got their consumer line updated(a bunch of coolpix + D40 & D40x), their Pro line has'nt been touched for over a year...
I shall revisit this thread in about a month
Kiu
They got their consumer line updated(a bunch of coolpix + D40 & D40x), their Pro line has'nt been touched for over a year...
I shall revisit this thread in about a month
Kiu
Tuolumne
Veteran
"He must be member of Nikon's executive board I guess."
Maybe he is.
/T
Maybe he is.
/T