New fibre-based papers announced by Ilford

[DominikDUK]

I knew about most of those, what I was talking about was commercial movies, not re-spooled stuff for 8mm or the special order stuff that is mono stills film although I hear ORWO and Gevaert will do bulk special orders of film with the 'N' type sprockets.

So, I'm talking Hollywood, not hobby.

The Orwo stuff was designed as MP Stock and is being used for Indie films in Europe and Lalaland not amateurs pros.

Tasma makes a good B/W camera stock the stuff was used in Russian cinema and maybe is still used (last time I've heard about a film being made with it was 3 years ago.

Agfa-Gevaert Release Film is one of the most widely used release stocks and is not a special order item.

Fuji Release Stock and more importantly their archival storage stock is widely used.

Kodak is pretty much the only color camera stock in production, maybe the iranians coat their own (they have film coating facilities and shoot lots of movies)

Archival stock is were the money is these days even digital movies have to be preserved and most big name studios preserve their movies even the digital ones on film.

The respooled Agfa 35mm stuff I don't get as it is quiet expensive and not easily affordable for an amateur.
Might have to try some.

 

[Photo_Smith]

In other words then No 🙂 Kodak is the only game in town for colour stock to shoot a movie with.

Iranian film coating aside-obviously that's a huge industry!

 

[Koolzakukumba]

Can the two of you not take this argument somewhere else. This threads supposed to be about new Ilford papers!

 

[HHPhoto]

Jan for you information it is just a internet rumour that confectioning is going to be done in Rochester.
The main reason is that building 58 the film finishing plant was demolished in 2007.

Dear Mark,

it is more than just an internet rumour. There has been an article about the closure of the Mexican plant in the Rochester newspaper (Democratic Chronicle).

I think you're also being a little unfair when you call the people at Kodak loosers [sic] if they were losers they wouldn't have been trying to save the film plant at all.

Well compared to what Ilford has done in the last eight years the performance of Kodak has been....well, not convincing 🙄

Fuji at the moment have more coating plants than any other player (as of 2012 figures) and are the largest producer of RA4 paper, the chemistry is in house (unlike Kodak) but we have no guarantee of continued product from them–but more goodwill from consumers.

AFAIK Fuji currently has two coating plants: One for film in Tokyo (I don't know whether also paper is produced there), and one for paper in the Netherlands (Tilburg, a former film factory).
And recently Fuji has build a new finishing plant for Instax instant film in South Korea because of the increasing demand for Instax.

Kodak: Film manufacturing in Building 38 in Rochester.
And KPP has bought the paper factory in Harrow in England, so this factory is now belonging to Kodak Alaris.
As with the Fuji factory in Tilburg, the Harrow factory has been a film factory until 2005.

Cheers, Jan

 

[HHPhoto]

2) No they didn't , Kodak did introduce more new products in the last years than Ilford (MP industry and some in the Still photo world)

That is not correct. If you consider all Ilford products, including their new camera line e.g., Ilford has introduced more products.
And please don't forget that Ilford has developed new products for companies like Bergger, Adox, Oriental, Maco.
They have been more active than Kodak.

3) Ilford is much smaller than Kodak,

The coating machine of IlfordPhoto / Harman Technologies has quite similar dimensions compared to the Kodak machine: Coating width of about 54" and length of the master rolls up to two miles long.

But Harman has invested in a much more flexible production.Therefore they can now even make tiny production runs (only 1000m²) at reasonable costs.
Kodak never had interest in medium or low volume products. Therefore Kodak has brutally discontinued all non mass market products.
But the market of today needs manufacturers who have interest in medium and low volume products.
Manufacturers like Ilford, Adox, Film Ferrania, Impossible Project, FilmoTec , InovisCoat etc.

Cheers, Jan

 

[KenR]

Not in stock - yet

Not in stock - yet

I was at B&H in NYC yesterday (12/8) and thought that I would buy some of the new Cooltone paper to give it a try. It is not in stock at the moment with an estimate of a 2 week wait until they can get it to ship it out.

 

[benji77]

Ilford Art Paper 300gsm

Ilford Art Paper 300gsm

Apologies for asking here as I didnt want to create another thread. May I know what is the best fixing time and washing time for the Ilford Art Paper 300gsm? Based on the tech-sheet, it says a fix of 1min, with another 45min for washing. From what I heard, papers like these need 4-6hrs of washing/soaking. True?

 

[shadowfox]

Apologies for asking here as I didnt want to create another thread. May I know what is the best fixing time and washing time for the Ilford Art Paper 300gsm? Based on the tech-sheet, it says a fix of 1min, with another 45min for washing. From what I heard, papers like these need 4-6hrs of washing/soaking. True?

I can't say for sure because I haven't used this particular paper, but I know that there isn't a single silver-based photo paper that can withstand 4-6 hours of washing without the emulsion being lifted out and carried away by the water.

If it helps, for *all* Fiber-based papers, I usually fix for 1-2 minutes, if I think the print is a keeper, I'll dunk it in hypo-wash for 1-3 minutes, then water wash for 20 min. using Nova washer (or running tap water tray).

 

[Koolzakukumba]

Apologies for asking here as I didnt want to create another thread. May I know what is the best fixing time and washing time for the Ilford Art Paper 300gsm? Based on the tech-sheet, it says a fix of 1min, with another 45min for washing. From what I heard, papers like these need 4-6hrs of washing/soaking. True?

Art 300 has been developed to have short (for a fibre-based paper) washing times. Over washing does it no good - in fact, it may do it some harm - so stick to Ilford's recommendations for best results. One thing to watch out for is the paper's tendency to float on the surface so keep an eye out for that otherwise you might get uneven development/fixing.

 

[DominikDUK]

Ilford Art300 does not like overwashing at all, when the paper gets hit by jets of water for a longer period of time the paper will suffer some very minor though slightly visible damage. The Baryta layer not only makes the white brighter and stops the emulsion from sinking into the paper fibres but also somewhat protects the paper fibers from mechanical damage.
Beautiful Paper that I love to use.

To HHPhoto Kodak can coat small batches down to 600ml of emulsion so yes they lie when they say they can't do small coating runs the probably can. But again film coating is only a small part of the coating products they offer and most other coatings are probably more to the current mangements liking thus the Film division gets shafted by management again and again.

Bergger, Adox, Oriental, Maco were supposedly developed by Bergger, Adox ,Maco, etc... and Ilford only does the coating. 😉

Kodak has been offering the same service for quite a long time.

 

[benji77]

Thank you very much guys. I am new to the printing world, and this helps a great deal. Will be printing some today, and hopefully I have good prints to share in the other thread.

 

[HHPhoto]

Bergger, Adox, Oriental, Maco were supposedly developed by Bergger, Adox ,Maco, etc... and Ilford only does the coating. 😉

No, in most cases these OEM products have been developed by Harman / IlfordPhoto.
Exception: Rollei Ortho 25. Designed by FilmoTec, emulsion is also made by FilmoTec exclusively for Maco (Maco is financing the whole project), but coating is made by Harman.

Kodak has been offering the same service for quite a long time.

No, there is nothing similar from Kodak.
Only a bit re-packaging of Kodak films by Lomography.
But there are no different films or papers designed by Kodak for other photo film suppliers.

Cheers, Jan

 

[Roger Hicks]

Frances has been printing on both papers this week. Her reaction: "WOW!".

Cheers,

R.

 

[Koolzakukumba]

Frances has been printing on both papers this week. Her reaction: "WOW!".

Cheers,

R.

Sounds good, Roger. I've been given a few sheets of each from a friend to see if I like them and can't wait to get printing. I'm trying to pick a paper to start printing a portfolio and the FB Classic might be perfect.