New fibre-based papers announced by Ilford

Photo_Smith said:
That would be expected though wouldn't it Alaris have been around for what three months? The Kodak coating schedule isn't that responsive and full at the moment, I'm guessing they will coat when stocks are low rather than just to appease the fudmongers who think they will never ship another roll.

From people I know are suggesting I'd say you'll certainly lose your $100 bet, when stocks run low they will re coat and for all we know that may be soon.

But lets not thread cr@p this is about Ilford not Kodak using it to spread your usual fear and doubt about the future is wrong.
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Remember: labeled Alaris and available freely in Europe...
About printing papers: Within my hand´s reach I can see Bergger, Foma, Ilford Multigrade, Maco /Rollei Vintage 111 and 128, Oriental Seagull and Adox MCP and MCC printing paper boxes, all fresh produce, all great printing papers in my personal stock. I never liked kodak papers, never understood their policy of distribution: "WE cannot ship TRI-X to Europe, it is USA only product" We had to buy TRI-X that was produced in Mexico and grey marketed via Brazil.. Ok now you can have your TRI-X, I am using Rollei RPX and Eastman Double X...
 
Bill Clark said:
Beautiful web site ---- terrific photographs.

Kudos!

My family on my Dad's side came from Scotland. Have a pic of my great grand father from a bicycle race in the 1800's. I believe it was held in Aberdeen.

Our son is spending this week in Scotland. He works for GE energy out of Houston Texas.

Have a nice holiday season.
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Thanks very much, Bill. I started it to do what I could to promote film and darkroom so the Ilford announcement is great news to me. You have a good holiday season as well.
 
Rangefinderfreak said:
Remember: labeled Alaris and available freely in Europe...
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Retarded.
Rangefinderfreak said:
About printing papers: Within my hand´s reach I can see Bergger, Foma, Ilford Multigrade, Maco /Rollei Vintage 111 and 128, Oriental Seagull and Adox MCP and MCC printing paper boxes, all fresh produce, all great printing papers in my personal stock. I never liked kodak papers, never understood their policy of distribution: "WE cannot ship TRI-X to Europe, it is USA only product" We had to buy TRI-X that was produced in Mexico and grey marketed via Brazil.. Ok now you can have your TRI-X, I am using Rollei RPX and Eastman Double X...
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That's stupid, ignorant and bizarre.

Alll European Tri-x was made in Europe, I visited the production in Hemel in the 1990's and saw it!!
Since 2002 all Tri-x has been coated only in Rochester.

Fact:
No tri-x has been produced in Mexico-EVER.
In 2003 Kodak moved all film finishing to Mexico, the masters are coated in Building's 29N and 38 they are then shipped to Mexico for confection.
All Kodak film is finished in Mexico.

You seem very happy to blatantly lie and spread FUD and for doing that and you're going on ignore.
Everybody should just ignore your ignorance.
 
Photo_Smith said:
Retarded.


That's stupid, ignorant and bizarre.

Alll European Tri-x was made in Europe, I visited the production in Hemel in the 1990's and saw it!!
Since 2002 all Tri-x has been coated only in Rochester.

Fact:
No tri-x has been produced in Mexico-EVER.
In 2003 Kodak moved all film finishing to Mexico, the masters are coated in Building's 29N and 38 they are then shipped to Mexico for confection.
All Kodak film is finished in Mexico.

You seem very happy to blatantly lie and spread FUD and for doing that and you're going on ignore.
Everybody should just ignore your ignorance.
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Just a final note: have you ever tried to buy TRI-X from Adorama, B&H, DigitalTruth etc...
 
Koolzakukumba said:
Looks like it. 🙁 However, if you do, can you please PM me your settings? I just use my Analyser Pro as a timer - never got round to calibrating things properly. Don't suppose you use a Durst L1200 as well? 🙂
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Sure will do 🙂 I use a Meopta Magnifax 4a with a condenser head.... Calibraiton is actually that painful. Only takes an hour or so....
 
Hi Mark,

Photo_Smith said:
Fact:
No tri-x has been produced in Mexico-EVER.
In 2003 Kodak moved all film finishing to Mexico, the masters are coated in Building's 29N and 38 they are then shipped to Mexico for confection.
All Kodak film is finished in Mexico.
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that is absolutely correct!
Currently there are some reports that the finishing / confectioning plant in Mexico is closed, and the finishing is transferred back to Rochester.
We'll see.

But back to Ilford:
These guys are absolutely great!!!
Thanks Ilford!!

Ilford clearly demonstrates what is possible today if you really want to serve your customers!
They've kept their full product range alive, and even introduced new products to the Market.

Not like the loosers from Kodak, who don't have a concept, who don't have ideas to adopt to the new market situation.

Cheers, Jan
 
HHPhoto said:
Hi Mark,


Ilford clearly demonstrates what is possible today if you really want to serve your customers!

They've kept their full product range alive, and even introduced new products to the Market.

Not like the loosers from Kodak, who don't have a concept, who don't have ideas to adopt to the new market situation.

Cheers, Jan
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1) Kodak does serve it's main customers very well (the MP industry)

2) No they didn't , Kodak did introduce more new products in the last years than Ilford (MP industry and some in the Still photo world)

3) Ilford is much smaller than Kodak, Kodak still coats a lot more than Ilford, Kodak also offers Color Product does Ilford? Ilford adapted so well to the new market that they went Bankrupt the new Ilford is Harman and not Ilford. Kodak will have to adapt and they are probably trying to do exactly that but a lot of adjustment is necessary and this takes time. Some of the proposed plans coming from Kodak are not bad special coating, coatings on demand etc.... Also Kodak now offers some products in new packaging and sizes Double X for example.

4) I am very happy that Ilford introduced these new products would have loved that the Old MGIV Mat was still in production alongside with the new but one can't have everything congratulations to Mobberley You're the best.
 
Ilford/ Harmann technologies do a lot of re branding: Kentmere, Rollei films, Bergger and Oriental photo papers for example. I think they are much smarter than Kodak who just put the Alaris pension fund in the first place...
 
HHPhoto said:
Hi Mark,
that is absolutely correct!
Currently there are some reports that the finishing / confectioning plant in Mexico is closed, and the finishing is transferred back to Rochester.
We'll see.

Not like the loosers from Kodak, who don't have a concept, who don't have ideas to adopt to the new market situation.

Cheers, Jan
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Jan for you information it is just a internet rumour that confectioning is going to be done in Rochester.
The main reason is that building 58 the film finishing plant was demolished in 2007.
I think you're also being a little unfair when you call the people at Kodak loosers [sic] if they were losers they wouldn't have been trying to save the film plant at all.
Fuji at the moment have more coating plants than any other player (as of 2012 figures) and are the largest producer of RA4 paper, the chemistry is in house (unlike Kodak) but we have no guarantee of continued product from them–but more goodwill from consumers.

Alaris have been in existence for around three months, they are still doing quite a bit of legal 'loose end' tying having to take on board supply and distribution and local offices.
After this 30 day timespan it would be wholly unrealistic to expect the shelves to be stuffed with Kodak/Alaris product, especially those lines where supply is abundant.
Kodak keep a very tight line on the chain, coating schedules for products are mapped to that chain, not the wishes of people who seem to think Kodak have something to prove.

(not aimed at any individual)
They just shut up and buy film, Kodak don't make products to crush your misconceptions.
 
Well done ilford. I have been give a lot of paper by a friend who can no longer print (divorce, house to shared flat etc.), so I am OK for paper at the mo. Kodak, MP industry, I take it that means medical pruducts.
 
Re the Multigrade FB Classic as repackaged Kentmere, a guy on APUG had this to say:

"I don't see much similarity. Compare curves and dmax:

http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/...1220152705.pdf

http://www.kentmere.co.uk/Webfiles/2...1412372020.pdf

Multigrade FB Cooltone seems to top out at 2.0 and exhibits much less toe compared to Fineprint VC FB, which goes to 2.2.

ISO contrast ranges by numbered filter are rather different, as are their ISO speeds. While HARMAN might have incorporated aspects of Fineprint's characteristics into Cooltone, it seems very unlikely that this new paper is simply Fineprint re-packaged."
 
kram said:
Well done ilford. I have been give a lot of paper by a friend who can no longer print (divorce, house to shared flat etc.), so I am OK for paper at the mo. Kodak, MP industry, I take it that means medical pruducts.
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MP stands for Motion Picture Kodak is one (Not the last) of the last mfg of motion picture shooting stock. Fuji killed of it's line only two year after the introduction of a new and much loved shooting stock. The life science and medical products division is as far as I know no longer part of Eastman Kodak but I could be wrong.
 
Color film (shooting) Kodak Eastman is the only game in town (could kill Fuji management for killing their line).

Respooled Slide E6 film for motion picture use is available from different sources e.g. Wittner Cinetechnik, Kahl, etc... (Super 8 and and I just read Agfa RSX-II sold us Wittner Chrome 200D for
35mm on 400 and 1000ft spools)

Print stock Fuji, Kodak, Gevaert.

B/W Stock: Kodak Eastman, Orwo, Tasma, Foma

Archival Solutions: Fuji, Kodak, Gevaert
 
DominikDUK said:
Color film (shooting) Kodak Eastman is the only game in town (could kill Fuji management for killing their line).

Respooled Slide E6 film for motion picture use is available from different sources e.g. Wittner Cinetechnik, Kahl, etc... (Super 8 and and I just read Agfa RSX-II sold us Wittner Chrome 200D for
35mm on 400 and 1000ft spools)

Print stock Fuji, Kodak, Gevaert.

B/W Stock: Kodak Eastman, Orwo, Tasma, Foma

Archival Solutions: Fuji, Kodak, Gevaert
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I knew about most of those, what I was talking about was commercial movies, not re-spooled stuff for 8mm or the special order stuff that is mono stills film although I hear ORWO and Gevaert will do bulk special orders of film with the 'N' type sprockets.


So, I'm talking Hollywood, not hobby.
 
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