New Film - Oriental Seagull

[RFluhver]

Hello guys. Good news from Tokyo Camera Style. Japanese company Cyber Graphics will release a new line of film under their Oriental Seagull brand.

More here.

 

[pschauss]

Are they going to offer it in 120 format as well as 135?

 

[sevo]

More interesting to know would be whether it is a new film (and who made it).

 

[ForestCap]

https://www.cybergraphics.co.jp/NSGFILM_PRESS20160222.pdf

ISO 100 and 400 black and white in 135 format, 36 frames per roll, release date not decided for 10 rolls packages but the smaller ones(1 roll or 3 rolls) are coming tomorrow, prices not sure.

I guess it's not made by Seagull 😀

 

[k__43]

Another Kentmere?

 

[jsrockit]

So, what are they repackaging?

 

[mike rosenlof]

My Japanese isn't great, and declining, but that press release says little more than "here's 35mm film, iso 100 and 400, develop in the usual suspects.".

 

[grouchos_tash]

Another Kentmere?

It looks like the same packaging doesn't it?

 

[Skiff]

Another Kentmere?

Yes, most probably.
Because:
1. Oriental papers have been made by Harman / Ilford Photo for about a decade now.
2. Harman is selling the Kentmere line to anyone who wants it for their house brand: AgfaPhoto APX 100 and 400 New is Kentmere 100 and 400, Fotoimpex CHM 100 and 400 is Kentmere, too.
And Rollei RPX 100 and 400 is also the same or nearly the same stuff (differences probably because of variations in production runs).

So, no real news here.
Much ado about nothing.

 

[David Hughes]

Hi,

Just curious; does anyone else know of or even use http://dexter.pcode.nl/

You enter the 6 digit code from the cassette and it gets identified by maker and so on.

Regards, David

PS And I hope people buy and try this film as anything that keeps film being made is a good.

 

[tomken]

Tokyo Camera Style says they're labelled "made in the UK", so Kentmere?

 

[DominikDUK]

A few years ago Harman/Ilford said the won't do any relabel Deals anymore as they hurt the company and yet it seems that Ilford/Harman is at it more than ever. The Maco Gevaert thing okay aerial films aren't as easily available as normal films so they offer at least something different. But Kentmere is the same film available under 5 or 6 different Brands I honestly do not understand Harman reasoning behind it when it was bad in the past it won't be good now.

 

[newsgrunt]

They may not be rebadging but running coating lines according to Oriental's specs/formula. Possibly

 

[DominikDUK]

I imagine the specs were something like we want a 100 & 400 iso film and they should be inexpensive in production and selling price. 35mm. The differences are most likely in the punctation and maybe film sizes 120 and 135.

 

[HHPhoto]

Tokyo Camera Style says they're labelled "made in the UK", so Kentmere?

Yes.

Cheers, Jan

 

[HHPhoto]

They may not be rebadging but running coating lines according to Oriental's specs/formula. Possibly

No, because there are no Oriental film formulas. Even if, that would be too expensive to produce. You cannot just take an old formula and coat it on a machine of a different manufacturer. That simply does not work. It is much more complicated: You have to re-design the formula and adopt it to the new machinery. That is both difficult, time consuming and expensive. You have to sell such a product at a higher price. The market wouldn't accept that.

Cheers, Jan

 

[HHPhoto]

A few years ago Harman/Ilford said the won't do any relabel Deals anymore as they hurt the company and yet it seems that Ilford/Harman is at it more than ever.

Yes, but Harman said that they will not give the Ilford films to other companies anymore. They've never said that about the Kentmere films.

The Maco Gevaert thing okay aerial films aren't as easily available as normal films so they offer at least something different. But Kentmere is the same film available under 5 or 6 different Brands I honestly do not understand Harman reasoning behind it when it was bad in the past it won't be good now.

So far Kentmere 100 and 400 are also available as AgfaPhoto APX New 100 and 400, Fotoimpex CHM 100 and 400, Rollei RPX 100 and 400.
Why is Harman doing that?
They want to kill Foma and Adox. They are running a very aggressive strategy in the major markets against them.

Cheers, Jan

 

[ashfaque]

Hi Jan,

RPX 400 and 100 aren't rebadged Kentmeres. The corresponding development times with the same developer that are mentioned in their respective tech. dataheet, are somewhat different in many instances.

Speaking of RPX series, I like RPX 400 and 25 (@ISO 50) a lot, especially with SPUR HRX.

Bests,
Ashfaque

 

[HHPhoto]

Hi Jan,

RPX 400 and 100 aren't rebadged Kentmeres. The corresponding development times with the same developer that are mentioned in their respective tech. dataheet, are somewhat different in many instances.

I know.
But their datasheets are problematic in some cases. For example the resolution values given for RPX 25 are pure fantasy. They have nothing to do with reality.
If you compare RPX 100 with Kentmere 100, and RPX 400 with Kentmere 400 directly, if you compare identical shot pictures, you will see
- same sharpness
- same level of grain
- same resolution
- same tonality (same transfer of colours into grey tones).

If you make identical shots both on RPX and Kentmere, and then make prints from it and make a blind test:
You very very likely will be unable to tell which picture is from Kentmere and which is from RPX.
For your personal photography it doesn't matter whether you are using Kentmere or RPX. What you can do with the one, you can also do with the other.
Only difference: RPX is available in 120, Kentmere is not.

Cheers, Jan

 

[Tonkatsu-Dog]

For what it's worth the Ilford booth had all their film line including oriental seagull at cp+ camera fair in Yokohama last week.