New IBERIT M-mount Lenses

I see $500 being mentioned in the first post, and then I see Jaap mentioning 2000 Euros. Hm. I guess, it depends on which lens you mean.
 
raid said:
I see $500 being mentioned in the first post, and then I see Jaap mentioning 2000 Euros. Hm. I guess, it depends on which lens you mean.
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The 2000€ 40/0.85 has been around for a year or two - but it got so-so reviews, and Sony pretty much killed it by releasing their FF mirrorless cameras in the same time frame - which drew a large segment of potential customers for high price APS-C primes into another format.

The new lenses are slower, more affordable and cover FF...
 
WJJ3 said:
The story gets even more interesting:

HandeVisionの由来は、中国を意味する漢（Han）とドイツを意味するDEを掛け合わせたものです。

Han for China, and De for Germany. HandeVision appears to be a collaboration between the German firm IB/E Optics and the Chinese firm Kipon...
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The following comment applies not to Will's comments above, but to whoever came up with the explanation ... "'Han' means China in Mandarin and 'De' is the abbreviation for Deutschland – which means Germany" that I have seen elsewhere on the Internet.

Let's get it straight ... putting an equal sign between "Han" and "China" has the same effect as calling the United States of America "White" or "Caucasian." Besides Han, there are currently over 50 ethnic minority groups living in the Mainland China. To make things worse, a number of these minority groups are being marginalized by the totalitarian regime.

And to look at this from a different perspective, I am an American with a heritage of Han, culturally and ethnically. Similar to this example, there are over 50 million oversea Chinese not living in the Mainland China.

So, I do NOT see it as a small mistake, isolated incident or unintentional. Between 50 million oversea Chinese and 120 million non-Han minority groups people living in the Mainland China, HandeVision made an error that mischaracterized over 170 million people globally, which is about the same number of people in Pakistan, the sixth most populated country of the world. Sadly, this is only one of the many many "errors" similar to this I have seen lately in different places.

John
 
It'd seem that the 50mm is larger than the lux asph:
L55mm D58mm
L53mm D54mm

A shame, I'm on the lookout for a compact 50mm that can focus to .7m. The 90mm with .7m focus seems interesting though!
 
Agreed. A really bad name for a lens, especially if you understand the derivation.

Mark

SuperUJ said:
The following comment applies not to Will's comments above, but to whoever came up with the explanation ... "'Han' means China in Mandarin and 'De' is the abbreviation for Deutschland – which means Germany" that I have seen elsewhere on the Internet.

Let's get it straight ... putting an equal sign between "Han" and "China" has the same effect as calling the United States of America "White" or "Caucasian." Besides Han, there are currently over 50 ethnic minority groups living in the Mainland China. To make things worse, a number of these minority groups are being marginalized by the totalitarian regime.

And to look at this from a different perspective, I am an American with a heritage of Han, culturally and ethnically. Similar to this example, there are over 50 million oversea Chinese not living in the Mainland China.

So, I do NOT see it as a small mistake, isolated incident or unintentional. Between 50 million oversea Chinese and 120 million non-Han minority groups people living in the Mainland China, HandeVision made an error that mischaracterized over 170 million people globally, which is about the same number of people in Pakistan, the sixth most populated country of the world. Sadly, this is only one of the many many "errors" similar to this I have seen lately in different places.

John
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jenhao said:
Agreed. A really bad name for a lens, especially if you understand the derivation.

Mark
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You should blame the people over at Kipon, as they are Chinese and should know the sensitivities of that name, I assume. Kipon is the only one who claims the Han part stands for China, it isn't mentioned on the English or German Handevision sites.

Of course Han also is a Chinese dynasty that sometimes is considered to represent a golden age in Chinese history - maybe they wanted to make a link with that?
 
daveleo said:
Isn't that an unusually large length / diameter design for a 40mm, very fast lens?
I would expect more diameter or less length.
Possibly this is a radical optical design??
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It is a design for APS-C mirrorless cameras. If I remember the schematics right, it is a very telecentric design, with the rear element quite far from the mount.
 
SuperUJ said:
The following comment applies not to Will's comments above, but to whoever came up with the explanation ... "'Han' means China in Mandarin and 'De' is the abbreviation for Deutschland – which means Germany" that I have seen elsewhere on the Internet.

Let's get it straight ... putting an equal sign between "Han" and "China" has the same effect as calling the United States of America "White" or "Caucasian." Besides Han, there are currently over 50 ethnic minority groups living in the Mainland China. To make things worse, a number of these minority groups are being marginalized by the totalitarian regime.

And to look at this from a different perspective, I am an American with a heritage of Han, culturally and ethnically. Similar to this example, there are over 50 million oversea Chinese not living in the Mainland China.

So, I do NOT see it as a small mistake, isolated incident or unintentional. Between 50 million oversea Chinese and 120 million non-Han minority groups people living in the Mainland China, HandeVision made an error that mischaracterized over 170 million people globally, which is about the same number of people in Pakistan, the sixth most populated country of the world. Sadly, this is only one of the many many "errors" similar to this I have seen lately in different places.

John
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Thanks for your comments John. Glad to see someone shed some light on this sensitive issue, and can't help feeling a little dissapointed in myself for not being aware of the issue when I posted.

I wonder if there are any simmilar issues with De?
 
WJJ3 said:
Thanks for your comments John. Glad to see someone shed some light on this sensitive issue, and can't help feeling a little dissapointed in myself for not being aware of the issue when I posted.

I wonder if there are any simmilar issues with De?
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Hi Will,

As a Leica M shooter, I was ecstatic to learn about the new M glasses. Especially at first glance, the company looks like someone in Germany (who seems to know what they are doing) takes care of the design (hopefully original designs). So long the workers who produce the lens are not being exploited, the joint venture and its parent companies are ethical on its business practices and environmentally conscious, I see no reason to dislike the new products at this point, particularly they offer cheaper alternatives to the market. We will have to wait and see the quality of its products, though.

One of the beautiful things of forums like this, is the sharing of knowledge/ experience on photography, and other related matters. And this thread is a great example for that in many regards. With many people knowingly and unknowingly influenced by all kinds of "soft power" these days, I appreciate you brought up the topic in the first place so different points of view can be shared. I personally found most folks in RFF are very reasonable, more so than many photo forums on the Internet.

I did not see anything wrong about the company name on itself. It's the intent (official explanation) behind it complicated by the recent human rights records of the Mainland China. The English version of its press release could have said it's about the Han people or its language, or the Han dynasty (202 BC – 220 AD) as Addy101 suggested. However, that wasn't what HandeVision chose to use. There is a Confucius saying literally: "legitimate name, smooth wording" roughly means "once one gets the right name (legitimacy), their actions/ claims are generally justifiable." Marketing folks in Shanghai at Kipon should know better.

Thanks,

John
 
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