New IBERIT M-mount Lenses

Huss said:
Unlike the 7Artisans lenses, these things have landed w/ a dull thud.
For them to make any sort of impact, now that there is competition on the 'low end', they need to cut their prices by 50%.
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These lenses are on a different level than the 7Artisans which is honestly kind of a trash lens. It only sells because it's f1.1, and it's true f stop is actually closer to f1.3. The f1.1 is a marketing gimmick. Mounted on testing equipment the Iberits are much better.

The 35 and 75 Iberits (the ones I've tried) are both very nice lenses. Perfect? No, but very decent quality glass that I'd say sits between Voigtlander and Zeiss in quality.
 
The 7artisans is cheap because it’s a terrible overstretched design that is actually not even f1.1

I apologize for bumping an old thread but I insist that the Iberits are much better optically. Kipon made Arri’s most recent cine lens line. They have much better knowledge. It’s a shame these lenses are floundering, more m mount options are good for all of us.
 
happy said:
The 7artisans is cheap because it’s a terrible overstretched design that is actually not even f1.1

I apologize for bumping an old thread but I insist that the Iberits are much better optically. Kipon made Arri’s most recent cine lens line. They have much better knowledge. It’s a shame these lenses are floundering, more m mount options are good for all of us.
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and yet it's selling wonderfully and most people seem happy with it. their 35mm f/2 will be awesome too I'm guessing.
 
I would add, they don't come up used that often on the bay, which is kind of telling that for those who buy them, they keep them.
 
Chuffed Cheese said:
and yet it's selling wonderfully and most people seem happy with it. their 35mm f/2 will be awesome too I'm guessing.
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I like the 7Artisans 50 1.1 so much I have two of them (silver and black). Even though I have lots of lenses from Leica, Zeiss and Voigtlander (even Jupiter!), it is my favourite lens on film.
It just has so much character and beautiful flaws wide open. There is nothing else on the market like it. At the price it is a ridiculous deal, especially since old Jupiter 3 lenses cost more now! And the new Jupiter 3+ is almost double the price.

Iberits give me a massive meh. I'll pick my Planars, Sonnars, Summiluxes etc any day over them. Or go the other way and use the 7Artisans.
Obviously I'm not the only one that feels this way, seeing no-one is buying them.
 
Huss said:
I like the 7Artisans 50 1.1 so much I have two of them (silver and black). Even though I have lots of lenses from Leica, Zeiss and Voigtlander (even Jupiter!), it is my favourite lens on film.
It just has so much character and beautiful flaws wide open. There is nothing else on the market like it. At the price it is a ridiculous deal, especially since old Jupiter 3 lenses cost more now! And the new Jupiter 3+ is almost double the price.

Iberits give me a massive meh. I'll pick my Planars, Sonnars, Summiluxes etc any day over them. Or go the other way and use the 7Artisans.
Obviously I'm not the only one that feels this way, seeing no-one is buying them.
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yeah, the character of it is hard to beat. I think if it was a vintage lens it would be highly sought after exactly for that, but the fact that it's a new thing easily available makes it so desirable. It's a weird thing and hard to work but if you can find that sweet spot with it, man does it produce some lovely images.
 
I bought the Fuji X-mount version of the Iberit 35/2.4. Great little lens and balances really well on the X-Pro body. Image quality is as good as any Voigtlander lens I've owned. And the price is definitely competitive with Voigtlander lenses. And I don't know how anyone can try to compare these Handevision lenses with Leica.... Leica lenses cost four times as much!

I think the Iberit line of lenses is a true bargain if you're looking for a daytime lens... like the Summarit line.
 
Jamie Pillers said:
I bought the Fuji X-mount version of the Iberit 35/2.4. Great little lens and balances really well on the X-Pro body. Image quality is as good as any Voigtlander lens I've owned. And the price is definitely competitive with Voigtlander lenses. And I don't know how anyone can try to compare these Handevision lenses with Leica.... Leica lenses cost four times as much!

I think the Iberit line of lenses is a true bargain if you're looking for a daytime lens... like the Summarit line.
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Agreed 100%

Let’s be honest, the 7artisans is selling because of its sexy specs and cheap price. Ask any optical engineer, it is not a good design. The value is undeniable however.

The iberits are a modest f2.4 but the t stop value is actually very close to that figure and not far off from some f2 lenses. The iberits aren’t meant to be a ‘cheap’ lens in the same way the 7artisans is meant to be. They were designed in Germany by a well known optics designer and are all new designs. Are they perfect? No. I think there are some issues with aesthetic choices and they certainly aren’t built as well as Zeiss or Leica. But they are very competitive with Voigtlander and optically on another tier altogether compared to 7artisans.
 
happy said:
Agreed 100%
Ask any optical engineer, it is not a good design.
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The 7Artisans is a Sonnar design lens. The Zeiss 50 1.5 is a Sonnar design lens. Perhaps you should also voice your concerns to the optical engineers at Zeiss ?
 
I never said all sonnars are bad designs, just that the 7artisans is not good optically, at least not in terms of aberrations. Look at wide open samples.

But even that point aside, not all sonnars are made equal
 
No, you said it is not a good design. It in fact is a fantastic design, those aberrations wide give it the Sonnar signature look. It makes the images sing. It's why I use it more than my Summilux Asph 1.4.

It would have been very easy for them to make a boring, slow lens. And charged more money for it. But as we know, that would not sell.

An ongoing thread on fredmiranda:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1517331/2?b=2

P.S: I was skeptical like you when this lens first was announced. A Chinese 50 1.1 lens for $300 in Leica mount? It had to suck! But I've been blown away by it.
If Leica made a character lens just like this, they'd charge $10,000 for it and people would be tripping over themselves waxing poetic.

Upside is, it is selling really well and users have realized it's something really special.
 
SuperUJ said:
The following comment applies not to Will's comments above, but to whoever came up with the explanation ... "'Han' means China in Mandarin and 'De' is the abbreviation for Deutschland – which means Germany" that I have seen elsewhere on the Internet.

Let's get it straight ... putting an equal sign between "Han" and "China" has the same effect as calling the United States of America "White" or "Caucasian." Besides Han, there are currently over 50 ethnic minority groups living in the Mainland China. To make things worse, a number of these minority groups are being marginalized by the totalitarian regime.

And to look at this from a different perspective, I am an American with a heritage of Han, culturally and ethnically. Similar to this example, there are over 50 million oversea Chinese not living in the Mainland China.

So, I do NOT see it as a small mistake, isolated incident or unintentional. Between 50 million oversea Chinese and 120 million non-Han minority groups people living in the Mainland China, HandeVision made an error that mischaracterized over 170 million people globally, which is about the same number of people in Pakistan, the sixth most populated country of the world. Sadly, this is only one of the many many "errors" similar to this I have seen lately in different places.

John
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Hi John,

As you mentioned before, "Han" as a name of ethnic group does only represent certain group. However, it also represents the ancient Han dynasty when China is almost at its beginning to form a united country. Therefore, in China people can represent them either using Han people (汉人) or Tang people (唐人). (here Tang is another great era for China around 1500 years ago) So I need to say there might be no problem for the company to use the Han as the representation for China.
 
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