"New" ISO400 BW film from Japan Camera Hunter!

[HHPhoto]

He is increasing choice,

No, he is not increasing choice.
You get exactly the same look, sharpness, resolution, fineness of grain etc. by using Aviphot Pan 200 = Rollei Retro 400S = Rollei Superpan 200 = Rollei IR. Which is fresh film, and offered at much lower prices.
There are absolutely no new benefits available from this JCH film.
Only disadvantages like much higher price and negative effects on the demand for real film production.

Cheers, Jan

 

[DominikDUK]

Henning your posting is a bit harsh. Also every news about a "new" film is good news, as it at least suggests that there is still a market for analogue photography. This in turn helps the film industry as a whole, because it counters the argument, by many anti-film or People who simply don't know any better, that film is dead.
Quiet a few People who would love to shoot film, are afraid of investing in a dead Technology. So again this news is good news, of course it would be better news if it really were a new film.

 

[HHPhoto]

Henning your posting is a bit harsh.

My name is Jan Hendrik Heuer, not Jan Henning Heuer. Thank you for considering that in the future .

Also every news about a "new" film is good news, as it at least suggests that there is still a market for analogue photography. This in turn helps the film industry as a whole, because it counters the argument, by many anti-film or People who simply don't know any better, that film is dead.

In this case with Bellamy Hunt that is absolutely not true.
Because for years he himself give food to the "film is dead" mood with his campaign against Fuji.
Which was often very ridiculous.
Example: He has recently complained that Fuji has stopped production of GF670, Klasse W, Natura cameras. These cameras were introduced after the digital revolution has started. Fuji was the only film manufacturer who did this! Kodak has not produced film cameras for over two decades! Real film cameras from Ilford? No, only pinholes. From Agfa? No. From Foma? No.

But did he criticise all the other film manufacturers for not producing film cameras? No, he did not!
But Fuji, who have produced excellent film cameras during the digital revolution, is harshly criticised by him.
Sorry, for me that is extremely unfair.

In January he criticised Fuji for raising prices. But a bit later in February Kodak raised prices even more. Did he criticise Kodak then? No, not with one word.

And he always make big reports about negative news, but is very often ignoring the good news. Lots of new products from European manufacturers like Adox, Moersch, Spur, Tetenal and so on were never mentioned by him.

Quiet a few People who would love to shoot film, are afraid of investing in a dead Technology.

They are investing in a dead film with his film.
But they could instead invest in fresh production from Ilford, Adox, Fuji, Kodak, Foma, Agfa / Rollei-Film.

Cheers, Jan

 

[BLKRCAT]

I'm with jan on this one. He is entirely correct and the fact that no one can see it is disappointing. I'm sure Bellamy is a great guy and I have nothing against him but I don't see a point of buying this film.

I feel the same about fpp re spooling their films and selling off Eastman stock taking sales away from Alaris making ACTUAL FRESH film. I've voiced it numerous times to which people become silent.

I shoot 100% film. I don't have any digital cameras. I believe in film and I buy fresh films from current manufactures.

 

[mani]

I agree with Dominik - film sales are not purely a zero-sum equation: releasing a 'new' film (at least a film perceived as new by the majority of non-expert enthusiasts out there), creates a buzz and feelgood around film that has positive effects on all film sales, in my opinion.

When a newbie like me wants to try out new films we're simply happy there are still many to choose from - it actually encourages me to buy and try more films. I don't feel the need to cower in a bunker and wonder when the next film company is set to explode in a mess of burning celluloid above my head; I can enjoy the optimistic buzz instead.

A lot of people get this feeling, and it pulls in an ever greater crowd of waverers who would otherwise be scared away by what many believe is a 'loser' technology. We don't need to give the anti-film crowd any more help - most photography sites are already on their side, because their financial self-interest lies in keeping the digital treadmill rolling.

 

[Paul T.]

I hate the internet sometimes, as it gives a pulpit to bitter people with an axe to grind. Hence a thread about something good, a new film being available, is being derailed.

I don't know why you have this strange bee in your bonnet, Jan. You're not even telling the truth.

You get exactly the same look, sharpness, resolution, fineness of grain etc. by using Aviphot Pan 200 = Rollei Retro 400S = Rollei Superpan 200 = Rollei IR.

No, it's self evident it is NOT exactly the same. Similar, yes. How co you get the same "look" with a different film speed. He is being honest about what he offers, and your dismissal, saying two similar films are EXACTLY the same, is dishonest.

I presume you've had a run-in with this guy at some point, hence your beef. I've dealt with JCH, and found him upstanding and honest, with no slippery statements like the ones you've just made.

 

[ProviaFan]

EDIT: Bellamy has updated his post to state: "This is a freshly produced emulsion with an expiry date of 2020. The film was no longer being produced and I had it put back into production."

 

[DominikDUK]

My name is Jan Hendrik Heuer, not Jan Henning Heuer. Thank you for considering that in the future .



In this case with Bellamy Hunt that is absolutely not true.
Because for years he himself give food to the "film is dead" mood with his campaign against Fuji.
Which was often very ridiculous.
Example: He has recently complained that Fuji has stopped production of GF670, Klasse W, Natura cameras. These cameras were introduced after the digital revolution has started. Fuji was the only film manufacturer who did this! Kodak has not produced film cameras for over two decades! Real film cameras from Ilford? No, only pinholes. From Agfa? No. From Foma? No.

But did he criticise all the other film manufacturers for not producing film cameras? No, he did not!
But Fuji, who have produced excellent film cameras during the digital revolution, is harshly criticised by him.
Sorry, for me that is extremely unfair.

In January he criticised Fuji for raising prices. But a bit later in February Kodak raised prices even more. Did he criticise Kodak then? No, not with one word.

And he always make big reports about negative news, but is very often ignoring the good news. Lots of new products from European manufacturers like Adox, Moersch, Spur, Tetenal and so on were never mentioned by him.



They are investing in a dead film with his film.
But they could instead invest in fresh production from Ilford, Adox, Fuji, Kodak, Foma, Agfa / Rollei-Film.

Cheers, Jan

Sorry confused you with Henning Serger who has similar opinions as you do. Again sorry

ProviaFan can't say that I agree good news about film helps everyone involved in the industry. While Jan makes some very valid points, he also puts out bad news and bad news is about 10x as powerful as good news. (We humans are weird that way). Also most of his critic isn't directed at the product itself but the person/company behind it. Of course we all wish for new emulsions priced at 1€ but this ain't really gonna happen unless someone with loads of money and real love for analogue photography enters the market.

 

[HHPhoto]

Dear Paul, with all respect, but you don't know what your are talking about because you have not used this film.
Lots of other photographers including me know this stuff. We used it back then when it was in production and sold under different types and names.
Selling this film as ISO 400/27° is not honest, because that material has a much lower effective speed.
You are a victim of this marketing.

How co you get the same "look" with a different film speed.

Because in reality there is only a tiny difference in effective speed. I measured 1/3 stop difference to Aviphot Pan 200. Photographer friends evaluated that, too.
That is a not significant difference. The tolerances in light meters and development are often higher.
I bet that neither you nor anyone else could in a blind test identify whether a picture is made on JCH film or on Rollei Superpan 200, Retro 400S etc.

If you want to pay much more for a film which is already many years old instead of fresh film....go for it.The photo world is a free one, fortunately. But please don't complain when another film of current production must be discontinued because of lack of demand.

Cheers, Jan

 

[mani]

Taking old stock and throwing it in a shiny new box reminds me of putting lipstick on a pig. I just don't see how this benefits anything more than someone flipping expired film on ebay.

Here is something I don't understand - is the film simply 'old stock in a new box' as critics are repeatedly stating in this thread, or is it new production of an old film formula?

PS: Incidentally, I hope the people stating unequivocally that this is 'years old' film are certain what they are saying is true.

 

[jsrockit]

Film saviors of the world please unite against this horrible human being repackaging old film...

 

[HHPhoto]

Again sorry

No problem.

ProviaFan can't say that I agree good news about film helps everyone involved in the industry. While Jan makes some very valid points, he also puts out bad news and bad news is about 10x as powerful as good news. (We humans are weird that way).

That negative news is more powerful than positive news is unfortunately right.
But please tell that Mr. Hunt, who, as I've explained above, was very active in reporting about bad news, and very often ignored good news.
And I am not putting out bad news.
I am just saying that if you want such a film look, you can get exactly that by buying Superpan 200, Retro 400S and Rollei IR. And you get that look from fresh material, and at much lower costs. I think that is good news .
It saves you money, and you can buy more film. Good for film production.

Cheers, Jan

 

[HHPhoto]

Here is something I don't understand - is the film simply 'old stock in a new box' as critics are repeatedly stating in this thread, or is it new production of an old film formula?

It is old stock in a new box.
Bellamy Hunt himself has said that in his statement.

Cheers, Jan

 

[mani]

Film saviors of the world please unite against this horrible human being repackaging old film...

As your contributions to these discussions are universally anti-film I have to wonder why you feel the need to add your voice to this discussion, unless you actually have any information to add?

 

[jsrockit]

As your contributions to these discussions are universally anti-film I have to wonder why you feel the need to add your voice to this discussion, unless you actually have any information to add?

I'm not anti-film at all...I love photography in general. I was just making a light-hearted comment regarding the personal nature of this thread (in hopes that you guys would get it). Instead I'll spell it out. Perhaps you guys can keep your comments related to the film instead of personally attacking the individual?

 

[HHPhoto]

This statement, in his introduction thread:
"Now, I couldn’t have a completely new emulsion made, so I decided to go with an old discontinued surveillance film that was original made by AGFA."
And the technical data he has given is that of the discontinued (out of production for several years) Aviphot Pan 400S / Agfa surveillance material.
This film was available back then from different sources in Europe.

"Re-born" is marketing blabla. Some leftover raw film (probably pancakes) is just cut and spooled into 35mm cassettes.
Usual business of rebadging companies for years. Lomo has done that, Maco has done that, FPP has done that, Washi film and lots of others have done that.

Cheers, Jan

 

[Paul T.]

PS: Incidentally, I hope the people stating unequivocally that this is 'years old' film are certain what they are saying is true.

They're not certain of anything except their own negativity.

At one point they say it's the same as an existing film, then they say it's similar, then they say it's much the same in practice but don't quantify it, just add more assertions, to impugn a well-known retailer who's not on here to defend himself.

I don't need another film and I won't be buying, but I applaud this new development and will only add that those who most vociferous with their claims of other's dishonesty, tend to be the people I don't trust.

 

[mani]

I was just making a light-hearted comment regarding the personal nature of this thread. Perhaps you guys can keep your comments related to the film instead of personally attacking the individual?

I've seen the same pattern repeatedly in your posts in the past, and I don't see what your contribution to this particular thread is apart from needling film users. And the old internet "where's your sense of humor" thing is so 2002.

 

[jsrockit]

I've seen the same pattern repeatedly in your posts in the past, and I don't see what your contribution to this particular thread is apart from needling film users. And the old internet "where's your sense of humor" thing is so 2002.

I'm a moderator. Personal attacks are not necessary here. That is what I'm trying to point out. Where did I needle film users?

 

[fireblade]

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