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The best I have been able to divine has been a stand alone 17 mm f2.8 and a tri-elmar digital equivalent of a 21-28-35 at f/4.0. Supposedly these are the new lenses available with the M8 which will make up the difference between the normal M lenses and the 1.33 crop factor.
The 17mm will replace the 21 mm in the lineup... I hope all the other lenses fall into place with the M8.
The 17mm will replace the 21 mm in the lineup... I hope all the other lenses fall into place with the M8.
Mark Norton
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I'd be surprised if a new Tri-Elmar overlapped the existing one by two of the focal lengths, little incentive for people to buy both.
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LCT
ex-newbie
Yes, also a 17mm lens would be of little interest for film users.
I would vote for a 15mm lens instead.
Best,
LCT
I would vote for a 15mm lens instead.
Best,
LCT
MP/CLE
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I think the point was that a 17 with the digital crop factor is essentially a 21 on film, while a 21 on digital is approximately a 28. No overlap... notice my statement "the digital equivalent" of those focal lengths.
Mark Norton
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So what are you saying the actual focal lengths of a new Tri-Elmar shoud be, keeping in mind the current one is 28-35-50?
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Mark Norton said:So what are you saying the actual focal lengths of a new Tri-Elmar shoud be, keeping in mind the current one is 28-35-50?
Yes. If the current 28/35/50 becomes a 35/44/63 on a digital M (given a 1.25 crop rate), then a digital 17/19/21 would become a 21/24/26 on a film M, and thus no overlap between tri-elmars. I am only using those three focal lengths as an example... if anyone knows the actual lengths expected, please let us know.
Mark Norton
Well-known
The crop factor is 1.33, not 1.25, so that a 21 becomes a 28 and so on.
Seems to me we're likely to see a wide Elmarit to approximate to the existing 21 and 24 Elmarits (15 + 18 or 16-17) and a 28mm Elmarit ASPH to fill the gap left by the discontinued non-ASPH lens.
Tri-Elmars are complex, expensive and slow and a wide one would just exacerbate the problems of wides with the Digital M. A 21-24-28 would be nice but there's the whole issue of coupling it to the viewfinder frame lines. I doubt we'll see it.
I do think they also need an entry level 35mm lens, the digital equivalent of the 50mm Summicron, so maybe we'll see a 35mm Elmarit as the new starter lens. Maybe €3995 body only, €4995 for body + 35mm Elmarit. Keep in mind the 35mm Summicron is €1900.
How does that sound, apart from expensive?
Seems to me we're likely to see a wide Elmarit to approximate to the existing 21 and 24 Elmarits (15 + 18 or 16-17) and a 28mm Elmarit ASPH to fill the gap left by the discontinued non-ASPH lens.
Tri-Elmars are complex, expensive and slow and a wide one would just exacerbate the problems of wides with the Digital M. A 21-24-28 would be nice but there's the whole issue of coupling it to the viewfinder frame lines. I doubt we'll see it.
I do think they also need an entry level 35mm lens, the digital equivalent of the 50mm Summicron, so maybe we'll see a 35mm Elmarit as the new starter lens. Maybe €3995 body only, €4995 for body + 35mm Elmarit. Keep in mind the 35mm Summicron is €1900.
How does that sound, apart from expensive?
LCT
ex-newbie
Mark Norton said:...maybe we'll see a 35mm Elmarit as the new starter lens. Maybe €3995 body only, €4995 for body + 35mm Elmarit. Keep in mind the 35mm Summicron is €1900. How does that sound, apart from expensive?
1000$ for a slow (f/2.8) entry lens?
Most people would prefer a second hand Summicron i guess.
But a new 35/2 SSSBZC (Super-Sharp-Smooth-Bokeh-Zebra-Cron)
Best,
LCT
billh
Member
"http://www.dpreview.com/news/0606/0...icamdlenses.asp"
Why isn't the 75 f2.0 on this list?
Why isn't the 75 f2.0 on this list?
sdai
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billh said:"http://www.dpreview.com/news/0606/0...icamdlenses.asp"
Why isn't the 75 f2.0 on this list?
Not a good copy and paste job ...
http://www.leica-camera.com/imperia/md/content/pdf/objektive/18.pdf
LCT
ex-newbie
billh said:"http://www.dpreview.com/news/0606/0...icamdlenses.asp"
Why isn't the 75 f2.0 on this list?
Hi Bill,
Your dear 75/2 is on the list my friend.
Best,
LCT
Bob Parsons
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billh said:"http://www.dpreview.com/news/0606/0...icamdlenses.asp"
Why isn't the 75 f2.0 on this list?
The 11822 Noctilux isn't on that list either
Bob.
Mark Norton
Well-known
The DP Review list is creating more confusion than light. If they can make mistakes on a simple cust and paste, does make you wonder how accurate the rest of their stuff is.
billh
Member
Thank you guys.
Hi LCT - you are absolutely correct - that is the best lens I have ever used, and I am really looking forward to trying it on the Leica 10.5 MP CCD. I am hoping to have the M8 in September, or early October, and I am trying to decide which lenses to send away to have converted. I am not sure whether to sent the 21 or not (I may get a 28 Summicron and wait to hear more about the wide lens they will release with the camera). I would also like to have a better idea of just how these contacts will enable (an algorithm?) to “improve” the image. I do not care about knowing which lens I used when I took a photo.
Bill
Hi LCT - you are absolutely correct - that is the best lens I have ever used, and I am really looking forward to trying it on the Leica 10.5 MP CCD. I am hoping to have the M8 in September, or early October, and I am trying to decide which lenses to send away to have converted. I am not sure whether to sent the 21 or not (I may get a 28 Summicron and wait to hear more about the wide lens they will release with the camera). I would also like to have a better idea of just how these contacts will enable (an algorithm?) to “improve” the image. I do not care about knowing which lens I used when I took a photo.
Bill
Bob Parsons
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billh said:Thank you guys.
[snip]
I would also like to have a better idea of just how these contacts will enable (an algorithm?) to “improve” the image. I do not care about knowing which lens I used when I took a photo.
Bill
Have a look at all of Joseph S. Wisniewski's postings in this thread: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=18734770
Bob.
Ben Z
Veteran
Well if the coding actually does make a palpable difference in RAW files in terms of counteracting the sensor vignetting based on specific lens design, I hope that either Leica makes that available through a menu or else that some enterprising soul finds a way to hack the firmware and open up the function to being manually accessed. Or at least publishes a set of "recipes" for Photoshop tweaks for various lenses. I bet someone does one or all of those.
Nemo
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The new lenses will be 17mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8 and a new Tri-Elmar.
jaapv
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Tony Rose said:
Yeah- but they have the number of permutations wrong -it is 192. They forgot that the camera "sees" three groups of focal lengths.
LCT
ex-newbie
Nemo said:The new lenses will be 17mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8 and a new Tri-Elmar.
Would you mind to tell where you've found out that scoop?
Best,
LCT
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