Olsen
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Well....
I have just bought a M8. Despite advice and warnings form more than one here. Not only that; I have bought a 16-18-21 mm with the dedicated viewfinder and this peculiar filter holder. And a extra motor-look-alike handgrip - which I think makes the camera far better to hold.
Problems? None. So far.
I'll come back to you with a report about how it works besides my 1Ds II.
Why I bought it?
Because it is still the best digital alternative to match any M glass. How good I intend to find out.
I have just bought a M8. Despite advice and warnings form more than one here. Not only that; I have bought a 16-18-21 mm with the dedicated viewfinder and this peculiar filter holder. And a extra motor-look-alike handgrip - which I think makes the camera far better to hold.
Problems? None. So far.
I'll come back to you with a report about how it works besides my 1Ds II.
Why I bought it?
Because it is still the best digital alternative to match any M glass. How good I intend to find out.
freeranger
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Congrats on your new arrival 
R
Robert
Guest
Congradulations on your new M8.
I am waiting on one coming, it should be here next week.
I can't wait.
I am waiting on one coming, it should be here next week.
I can't wait.
Richard Marks
Rexel
Welcome into the fold Olsen!
What on earth changed your mind?
can it be the words of Jaap "One by one they are moving over?"
I look forward to seeing some pics posted.
Incidentally its a great day for Morgans in the UK today
Best wishes
Richard
What on earth changed your mind?
can it be the words of Jaap "One by one they are moving over?"
I look forward to seeing some pics posted.
Incidentally its a great day for Morgans in the UK today
Best wishes
Richard
washy21
Established
Congrats - you have bought a fine photographic tool. All those who advised against it will be green with envy.
I've had mine for about a month now and it is proving to be about as perfect as one could expect from Leicas flagship digital RF.
Enjoy it.
I've had mine for about a month now and it is proving to be about as perfect as one could expect from Leicas flagship digital RF.
Enjoy it.
Richard Marks
Rexel
OK John youve had it 1 monthwashy21 said:
Lets see some pictures in the gallery. If anything is making the case for this camera its on the strength of the images it takes.
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
I had a chance to handle one... and I wish I had my own.
In the meanwhile, I'll congratulate all those who buy their own.
Congratulations, Olsen!!!
In the meanwhile, I'll congratulate all those who buy their own.
Congratulations, Olsen!!!
mikebrice@mac.c
Member
I was able to play with one at WPPI at the Leica booth. And while I really wanted to get one, and still do, I couldn't get over the black/purple issue.
The Leica booth was black. So using AWB, I shot the booth. Purple as Barney. Put the I/R cut filter on, the booth is black. I can't see spending that much for a camera to have to put filters on the lens to get black.
I'll stick with my MP and Rd-1 for now, but cheers to all who are early adopters.
The Leica booth was black. So using AWB, I shot the booth. Purple as Barney. Put the I/R cut filter on, the booth is black. I can't see spending that much for a camera to have to put filters on the lens to get black.
I'll stick with my MP and Rd-1 for now, but cheers to all who are early adopters.
Olsen
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Some first impressions compared to my 1Ds II:
The M8 is far behind in picture quality, let that be said.
Not only in share file size; the 1Ds II produces files that is 120 x 180 cm at 100% in PS; the M8 are only 92 x 120 cm. That, and the mangenta color fringing are the least of the problems. The M8 has a tendency to blow out faster in the highlights and even produce jagged lines and artifacts are frequent around in the pictures. Help! This is frustrating when you shoot with all the fine Leica glas. Just any old housewife with a Nikon D200 or Canon D20 will 'outshoot' you with pritty much ordinary optics. Help! Help! Help!
However; there is a lot positive to be said about share size and weight (and price!) of the M8 compared to the 1Ds II. And the LCD display of the M8 is larger and brighter than on the 1Ds II.
Further: Best results I get with the coded Tri-Elmarit, - not that bad, actually, but Canon's new 16-35 mm 2,8L II beats it - by far - on the 1Ds II. At full aparture (2,8) and at 16 mm - full frame, compared to Leicas aparture 4,0 and at a cropped 16 mm which utilizes only the best part or the lense; the Canon is somewhat inferior. That is untill you turn the ISO setting up. Then the the Canon monster pulls away from M8 in picture quality (low noice) as it does with most of competition.
Ironically: The only camera I know of that has an edge on the 1Ds II is the digital Leica R....
Worst are the pictures I have taken with uncoded lenses. I will have mine coded; a Summicron 35 2,0 and a Noctilux. How do I get my beloved Carl Zeiss 25 mm 2,8 coded? And my 50 mm Voigtänder Color Scopar...?
But again; the Leica 'looks the part' of 'culture and class' - you americans will probably not understand what I mean. You see: M8 is not as vulgar as the huge 1Ds II. With this around the neck you look like a paparazzi out hunting for a good Monica Levinsky-scandal. - Well, in politics, over here we prefer the womanizers to the dried up alcoholics,- but still the M8 is at home at a cafe' table in the Quartier Latin - you americans would not know where that is, even.
The M8 is far behind in picture quality, let that be said.
Not only in share file size; the 1Ds II produces files that is 120 x 180 cm at 100% in PS; the M8 are only 92 x 120 cm. That, and the mangenta color fringing are the least of the problems. The M8 has a tendency to blow out faster in the highlights and even produce jagged lines and artifacts are frequent around in the pictures. Help! This is frustrating when you shoot with all the fine Leica glas. Just any old housewife with a Nikon D200 or Canon D20 will 'outshoot' you with pritty much ordinary optics. Help! Help! Help!
However; there is a lot positive to be said about share size and weight (and price!) of the M8 compared to the 1Ds II. And the LCD display of the M8 is larger and brighter than on the 1Ds II.
Further: Best results I get with the coded Tri-Elmarit, - not that bad, actually, but Canon's new 16-35 mm 2,8L II beats it - by far - on the 1Ds II. At full aparture (2,8) and at 16 mm - full frame, compared to Leicas aparture 4,0 and at a cropped 16 mm which utilizes only the best part or the lense; the Canon is somewhat inferior. That is untill you turn the ISO setting up. Then the the Canon monster pulls away from M8 in picture quality (low noice) as it does with most of competition.
Ironically: The only camera I know of that has an edge on the 1Ds II is the digital Leica R....
Worst are the pictures I have taken with uncoded lenses. I will have mine coded; a Summicron 35 2,0 and a Noctilux. How do I get my beloved Carl Zeiss 25 mm 2,8 coded? And my 50 mm Voigtänder Color Scopar...?
But again; the Leica 'looks the part' of 'culture and class' - you americans will probably not understand what I mean. You see: M8 is not as vulgar as the huge 1Ds II. With this around the neck you look like a paparazzi out hunting for a good Monica Levinsky-scandal. - Well, in politics, over here we prefer the womanizers to the dried up alcoholics,- but still the M8 is at home at a cafe' table in the Quartier Latin - you americans would not know where that is, even.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Olsen said:
Read the LUF! This is not typical, it is a sensor failure of some cameras and you should have it exchanged.
http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/18949-end-world-we-know.html?highlight=world
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Olsen
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Olsen
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jaapv said:
I read LUF regularly and cannot see that I have read anything on any 'sensor failure'. Do you have a more spesific link?
MikeL
Go Fish
Olsen said:
I'm not as smart as you but I always thought there was a wide range of people and perspectives in every country. Silly me!
furcafe
Veteran
The Canon is a fine instrument. Too bad it's so big, & is an SLR. Though they're obviously smaller, as you point out, I haven't noticed any more blown highlights or jagged edges in M8 files when compared to those from my R-D1 or to Nikon D70s or Canon 5D files that I've seen.
The coding really shouldn't make much of a difference w/any non-wide angles, & even then, only w/regard to cyan fringing when using the IR cut filters.
"We Americans" understand very well about culture & class, we just don't obsess about it the way Europeans seem to. We also know where the Quartier Latin is located, & avoid it, as it's where all the tourists hang out. My M8 is perfectly home at cafe tables in Adams-Morgan & Dupont Circle, but "you [Norwegians] would not know where that is, even."
Olsen said:
The coding really shouldn't make much of a difference w/any non-wide angles, & even then, only w/regard to cyan fringing when using the IR cut filters.
Olsen said:
"We Americans" understand very well about culture & class, we just don't obsess about it the way Europeans seem to. We also know where the Quartier Latin is located, & avoid it, as it's where all the tourists hang out.
My M8 is perfectly home at cafe tables in Adams-Morgan & Dupont Circle, but "you [Norwegians] would not know where that is, even."Olsen said:
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Olsen
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furcafe said:The Canon is a fine instrument. Too bad it's so big, & is an SLR. Though they're obviously smaller, as you point out, I haven't noticed any more blown highlights or jagged edges in M8 files when compared to those from my R-D1 or to Nikon D70s or Canon 5D files that I've seen.
The coding really shouldn't make much of a difference w/any non-wide angles, & even then, only w/regard to cyan fringing when using the IR cut filters.
"We Americans" understand very well about culture & class, we just don't obsess about it the way Europeans seem to. We also know where the Quartier Latin is located, & avoid it, as it's where all the tourists hang out.
Ha! Ha! (At least one understood that it was ment as a joke - some sort of).
- I have no idea where 'Adams-Morgan & Dupont Circle' is. I am not sure I would dare to look it up. Unarmed.
I think I have found the reason to the jagged lines of my very first M8 pictures. The jpg compression setting was not sat at 'fine'. Simply.
I am not that conserned about the IR-problematics. I am not a pro that is dependant of documenting the suit of UN secretary-General Ban Ki-moon in correctly black. (I think the fellow is a fool and would not mind see him presented as a purple clown). My greatest fear is a M8 camera freeze.
Actually both 1Ds II and the M8 demands raw file handling to show their best, - but different treatments. It will take me some time to learn how to best handle the M8 files.
Richard Marks
Rexel
Anyone who spends £3000 or equivalent on an M8 without giving it a thorough try out first must have more money than sense.
The M8 has a very specific appeal and does offer some unique qualities albeit at the expense of refinements which may be on the latest high tech SLR's. If you value what this camera can actually offer then it is for you. It is certainly not the camera for all applications. Incidentally I was reading in digital slr photography that there are problems with the new Fuji S5 pro's face recognition system. Under certain conditions it seems to focus on breasts instead. This is certainly not a problem which could ever be levelled at the M8.
Take some time to play to the strengths of the M8 Olsen and I dont think your Canon will be doing much for a while.
Best wishes
Richard
http://realifeimages.co.uk
The M8 has a very specific appeal and does offer some unique qualities albeit at the expense of refinements which may be on the latest high tech SLR's. If you value what this camera can actually offer then it is for you. It is certainly not the camera for all applications. Incidentally I was reading in digital slr photography that there are problems with the new Fuji S5 pro's face recognition system. Under certain conditions it seems to focus on breasts instead. This is certainly not a problem which could ever be levelled at the M8.
Take some time to play to the strengths of the M8 Olsen and I dont think your Canon will be doing much for a while.
Best wishes
Richard
http://realifeimages.co.uk
Ben Z
Veteran
Richard Marks said:
Or live somewhere other than a large city. In fact, finding a Leica dealer with a demo M8 hasn't even been easy in the big cities up until recently.
It could if I owned one
Olsen,
Is that sample shot in JPG or DNG? That would make a world of difference in regards to the jagged lines.
Is that sample shot in JPG or DNG? That would make a world of difference in regards to the jagged lines.
boilerdoc2
Well-known
The omniscient Norwegian forgot to set the jpg to fine! Probably doesn't use RAW either. Long way to go for someone whose main point in this thread is politics.
Cheers.
steve
Cheers.
steve
Olsen
Well-known
Richard Marks said:
Sure, I have more money than sense! (I am a good earner, but a lousy spender). But 3,000 Dollars... ? The package I have bought is more in the region of 9,000 US$ - the camera, the Tri-Elmar w/viewfinder, a hangrip and filter holder.
No. I had no possibility to try it out for a few days.
- But I am now. The pictures taken with the Tri-Elmar is very good, actually. I have now taken quite a few pictures and worked them over in RAW. Except for the size it is possible to make them look very close to anything out of the 1Ds II, - except for the size - which is not allways all that important.
Right out of the camera the Leica files are sharper than the files from the 1Ds II. Which is practical and timesaving.
Two things: I have just installed the latest 1,10 up date. What is it supposed to improve?
Further: My Epson P2000 does not recognize the Leica RAW files. I looked up Epson's web page. There does not seem to be an up date/download from Epson that makes the P2000 read the DNG files.
Anyone here with a solution?
Sure. The Canon will be dusting down for a while...