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this thread is indicative of rff of late...everyone is trying to prove they have the biggest d..k..we gotta stop this fast or this place is going to hit dirt quick.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
Six years. Within three years DSLRs will be an "old people" thing, if they aren't already. The D5 will be the last Nikon pro DSLR with a pentaprism.
kuzano
Veteran
You must be a true youngster.......
You must be a true youngster.......
Most men, shorty after puberty, or late teens have learned that trying to dissuade or persuade a woman to anything is a true waste of time. Spend that time more productively. Do something to benefit humanity. Convincing women to do or not do anything is counter productive in the most negative sense of the words.
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You must be a true youngster.......
Most men, shorty after puberty, or late teens have learned that trying to dissuade or persuade a woman to anything is a true waste of time. Spend that time more productively. Do something to benefit humanity. Convincing women to do or not do anything is counter productive in the most negative sense of the words.
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MaxElmar
Well-known
I don't really care what the fashion is, or who has the fastest growing market share. That's all BS. Make a better camera. I'll buy it.
We have a lot of really nice mirrorless cameras available now -- too bad none of 'em can track focus in 3 dimensions for beans.... Oh, except for that little Nikon of which you like to make fun. Still waiting for the good stuff.
We have a lot of really nice mirrorless cameras available now -- too bad none of 'em can track focus in 3 dimensions for beans.... Oh, except for that little Nikon of which you like to make fun. Still waiting for the good stuff.
BobYIL
Well-known
NickTrop
Veteran
I - for the life of me, don't get "CEVIL" cameras. Entry-level DSLRs are a much better value. The viewfinder comes attached - not an expensive extra. Comes with a grip! Not a 3rd-party add-on. Neither are pocketable, and entry-level DSLRs like, say, a D5100 or a Canon Rebel cost less. Camera companies will market the hell out of them because they're cheaper to produce (presumably). Less (features/"camera") is more (price-wise and margin). A boom for the electronics manufacturers.
These cameras aren't "interesting" at all - except, perhaps, to the CFO of an electronics company.
These cameras aren't "interesting" at all - except, perhaps, to the CFO of an electronics company.
If there is anyone left offering a reliable service...
Trash, move on to the next model.
I can use all sorts of manual lenses on my NEX and I have permanent live view through either LCD or EVF. The sensors (at least in the NEX) are high end APS-C. And all are much more compact than competing DSLRs.
I have a NEX-7 and wouldnt want a D300s or EOS 7D instead.
Of course, if you are going "kit zoom only" like many buyers and dont care for bulk, then an entry level DSLR is better value, yes.
cosmonaut
Well-known
I agree. I am not sure hard nose pros will ever shoot mirrorless cameras. I think they will always be a market for cameras like the D800.
I couldn't imaging a real pro showing up to an expensive wedding or huge event with a compact system camera.
Harry Caul
Well-known
Well, with slow lenses and a small sensor (1/2 size of m43, 1/3 size of APS-C)... everything is almost always in focus. You are correct, the "tracking" performance is amazing
And I might add, at least the current gen, is no more pocketable than the small m43 cameras.
loquax ludens
Well-known
I can't imagine a real photo journalist ever using anything but a Leica M camera either.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
^---- Bwahahaha.
Bill Allard and David Alan Harvey have been making extensive use of the GF1 for probably couple of years now. Many others are also using GF1's, X-100s, etc. Apparently these National Geographic and Magnum photographers are not "hard-nosed pros." Comments like that will look so quaint three years from now.
Bill Allard and David Alan Harvey have been making extensive use of the GF1 for probably couple of years now. Many others are also using GF1's, X-100s, etc. Apparently these National Geographic and Magnum photographers are not "hard-nosed pros." Comments like that will look so quaint three years from now.
cosmonaut
Well-known
LOL. You got me there. Another down side to the compacts right now is high end glass. Most all of Olympus m4/3rd lenses are kit quality and a far cry from Carl Zeiss lenses.
charjohncarter
Veteran
But if they say, like all jerk off artists: this is the best and newest camera ever made. They will get the job. And soon we will be done with DSLRs: finally.
Harry Caul
Well-known
They may not be up to Zeiss or Leica standards (or pricing!), but I think most here would disagree with the first part of your statement. Have you ever used the following:
Panny 7-14
Olympus 12mm/2
Voightlander 17.5mm/0.95
Panny 20mm/1.7
Panny/Leica 25mm/1.4
Voightlander 25mm/0.95
Olympus 45/1.8
Most of the above can be used wide open while remaining very sharp. And both the soon-to-be released Olympus 75/1.8 and Panny 12-35mm/2.8 (constant aperture) are reported to be of very good quality.
If you call those kit lens quality I'd like to hear what kit you are using!
celluloidprop
Well-known
The Nikon V1 is an excellent camera - given that 99.99% of photos taken with even 'enthusiast' cameras are never going to be printed, much less large, its small sensor performs quite well. Good VF, fast AF. There are compromises at high-ISO compared to m43/APS/35, but if you play to the camera's strengths (ie daylight) then that's less relevant.
If the 10mm were f/2 (f/1.4 is probably stretching things), I think it would get a lot of love from street/doc/etc. shooters. Tiny body, v. good sensor, 28mm f/2? SOLD
If the 10mm were f/2 (f/1.4 is probably stretching things), I think it would get a lot of love from street/doc/etc. shooters. Tiny body, v. good sensor, 28mm f/2? SOLD
celluloidprop
Well-known
I'm not sure how to detach the EVF from my OM-D.
I've spent time with the crop-sensor SLR bodies. The viewfinders are tiny and dark compared to the OM-D/NEX-7 or even the Fujis.
kknox
kknox
The Leica Summilux 25mm 1.4 DG is a super lens. I use it on the GF1. Great fast prime lens for the m4/3 cameras.
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
Then get some Zeiss glass and put it on the OM-D or other m4/3 body.
vidgamer
Established
Of course, you've got a bigger "sensor" on those cameras. ;-)
I bought some older cameras, and I'm surprised at how well most of them work. One camera in particular has been in our family for about 40 years and I think it's working fine, once I fixed the light leaks. Hmm, I need to finish running another roll through it....
Meanwhile, my first digital camera died a long time ago. When these electronics go out, it might be possible to fix by swapping circuit boards in a similar way mechanical parts were swapped on old cameras, but I dunno. In my case, a 3mp camera is not worth repairing.
Maybe with current cameras they will be worth saving, but will they be repaired?As for entry-level DSLRs being better, that's a personal opinion. If you prefer a DSLR, by all means, get one! I really enjoy the smaller, lighter camera. I only got a DSLR because I wanted the higher quality of a larger sensor. I'll suffer some compromises to reduce the weight. And I can stick my camera into a pocket.... a big pocket, but yeah.