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Unsettling thoughts

Nearog, below you will see the first photograph I ever took, using a Kodak 127 Starmite. It was March 4, 1978. I was 14 and “interested in trains”. Not for long, I might add, although I did discover camera shake.

As my pictures appear to have confused you, I’m going to give a straight answer regarding my attitude towards photography. I see the camera as a tool which may be used either as a simple instrument for recording images or as a means of self-expression, and perhaps more importantly, self-discovery.

At 14 I photographed trains. This followed a period of great turbulence and with hindsight I can understand these pictures as marking a shaky but growing awareness of my gradual progress on the journey of life. Most - perhaps all - of what we photograph is a metaphor, even if we fail to understand it. As Doug neatly puts it, there is always a “SOMEthing” behind the thing we picture. Photography allows us to focus on this point, to select and go beyond facile surfaces, exploring ourselves and our particular vision.

I get the impression that you feel uncomfortable with the intimacy of co-creation between photographer and subject. I base this in part on your earlier question to me. I think this is a universal attribute: our culture would not constantly prate about “love” if there were no equal counterforce - not hate, but fear. The camera, I believe, is an instrument of love. We want to hide and look away, but it makes us look - to gaze unblinkingly into the face of another and, with biting precision, at the great world around us. Most photographers will tell you that photography has made them “see” with an ever-more profound intensity. As with Zen archery, what begins as a craft turns into a path to the expansion of consciousness.

Steam trains and old cars are fascinating objects, but they will lead to greater things - perhaps the things you fear and will come to understand and love. The camera certainly lies - but it tells the truth about the photographer. That first click of the shutter begins a great adventure in life, one which hopefully will teach a most important lesson: that by changing one’s viewpoint one alters reality, breaking free from preconceptions and the mental limitations that normally distort our vision.

The result is a richer understanding of the world, of the implicit grace and wonder of creation and of every being, animate and otherwise. As our old friend John Keats observed -

“Beauty is truth, truth beauty” - that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

Embrace beauty without fear, be it present in the face and in human desire, in the studious chomping of a hairy caterpillar or the serendipitous chaos of apartment house doorbells.

I’d like to recommend two books which deal with this area, both by Ralph Hattersley, described in the 60s as “photography’s most controversial writer”. The most accessible is the hilariously miss-titled “Beginners’ Guide to Photographing People”, which regularly appears on e-bay for pennies, and the vastly more ambitious “Discover Your Self through Photography”, easily available second-hand via services such as Alibris.

Success to all!

Ian
 

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This just about (perfectly!) covers it, Jocko. I wish I could express my reasoning, my sentiments, half-so-succinctly.

I also wish that my debut photo was as lovely as this one is: despite the inexperience of a mere 14 summers, despite the Starmite, and despite the shake of trains rumbling by...
 
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Bingo.

Bingo.

Jocko said:
Most photographers will tell you that photography has made them “see” with an ever-more profound intensity. As with Zen archery, what begins as a craft turns into a path to the expansion of consciousness.

Jocko, all I have to add is "thanks." This says it, but exactly. I'm bookmarking this thread.


Cheers,
--joe.
 
I have been following this debate with interest. It certainly seems to have wandered a long way from the beginning made by someone looking to start a new hobby. I think I may be about to send it further – my apologies for this and also the fact that some will find my views controversial. I am posting this because I feel very strongly about the issue.

There is an argument implied by Nearog (I think) that some things may not be fit subjects for photography. For me this is bad news and something I can’t accept. I am absolutely against censorhip in any form.

I don’t want anyone to think for a moment I am in favour of exploitation or abuse (and in fact there was a story in the UK news today about a vile pervert who had been abusing English children over a webcam – lock him up with some sweaty sex-starved old lags, I say, and let him get some insight about the impact he’s had on these young lives).

It’s just I think that the more censorship you have, the more abuse you get and the less chance there is of confronting it and rooting it out. Think about societies where there is heavy censorship. Iran, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, USSR in the Stalin era, etc etc. Would you like to live there? No of course not – tyranny and censorship are handmaidens. And these are also societies with very definite repressive views about sexuality and it’s representation.

There’s another reason – more psychological – I am against censorhip because it creates a climate where “out of sight = out of mind”. In Victorian times, child prostitution – that is to say the kidnap and rape of children – was common. The delicate middle classes were able to deny the problem because the standards of the day censored such subjects from the public gaze and so the abuse had a licence so long as it wasn’t spoken about. What sort of world is that?

And finally, Neaorg, I hope this doesn’t come too near the bone for you but a world where we can take pleasure in each others bodies in relationships based on respect and imagination seems like one I’d like to live in.

If pictures of cars and trains float your boat – enjoy! We’re a long time dead.
 
jrong said:
Hi Nearog!

Well, the first thing is: what kind of photography are you interested in doing ? General photography, landscape photography, portrait photography, or street photography in particular?

The rangefinder really only comes into its own for street work. You will find that more people here worship Henry Cartier-Bresson than Ansel Adams. The rangefinder is compact, ostensibly quieter and more discreet, ideal for street work. But if your main interest is portrait or landscape work, then I'd advise you to buy an SLR - it is also more versatile for general photography and more useful when learning the basics of composition. The rangefinder MAY look like a simpler machine to use, but really - a basic rangefinder is pretty much the same as a basic SLR in terms of user functions. Get a good, manual 35mm SLR - not one of the new-fangled types with 1001 buttons and display screens designed to confuse and befuddle even experienced photographers.

So plan according to your budget. The camera body doesn't matter as much as the lenses, so if you're planning to build a system, buy the best lenses you can afford once you have decided what camera system to go for.

An aside: funny and perhaps quite ironic that you won't usually find TRUE gentlemen in so-called "gentlemen's clubs"...

Good luck to you!
Jin


about using an SLR for landscape work . . . probably not as good as a rangefinder, actually. Unless you want to shoot with long lenses. You generally have longer exposures for landscapes, which means camera shake can be an issue. Rangefinders, thanks to the lack of any mirror, have little vibration upon shutter release. Best you could do for landscapes in the 35mm format would be to find something with a leaf shutter - no vibration of any substance. Hexar AF would be a fine choice. Contax t3 I think is leaf shutter.

I shoot with a medium format rangefinder, and I like it best for everything except portraits. For portraiture, a Mamiya RZ67II is hard to beat.

go here : http://www.shutterflower.com/RF645 review.htm
 
nearog said:
Can anyone give me some basic rules for getting good pictures and also buying a first camera?

Take lots of pictures. Pick out the ones that catches you eyes. Take a better look at them and try to figure out why you like them. Then start thinking how it could be better.

Look at other peoples work and do the same.

Read peoples comments on photos and try to see what they see. You don't have to agree, just try to understand.

My best advice for buying your first camera (assuming you want a rangefinder) is to buy something you like. I find you'll want to use it if you like it. I started with a FED 2. 🙂

P.S. Ian......brilliant.
 
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