sevo
Fokutorendaburando
... provided that their kids and grandkids also have an iPhone. Apple seems to be somewhat inside its own bubble there.
New Yorker: "With the iPhone 7, apple changed the camera industry forever"
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... provided that their kids and grandkids also have an iPhone. Apple seems to be somewhat inside its own bubble there.
Addy101
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Nope, the best camera is the one with you AND you can/want to use 😉
To me, that isn't a smartphone (YMMV).
I don't know how well regarded The New Yorker is, but I 'm unimpressed. The (r)evolution is ongoing ever since at least the iPhone 4: since that phone hit the market photographic qualities are important for the buying public. He acknowledges that, but doesn't explain how the 7+ (just the 7+, not the 7 apparently) "drives a stake through the heart of these mass-market devices" that all the other recent, photographic centric, smartphones didn't. The dual lens system is somewhat gimmicky, it still is a very small sensor behind a limited lens.
This feels very much like an Apple fan piece or clickbait (if so, mission accomplished 😀).
Oh, and we get this kind of articles with every new iPhone...
The smartphone photographic (r)evolution is based on good enough IQ and excellent connectivity. Dedicated cameras are still unbeaten for high quality (1" sensors and up) and for longer focal ranges (10x zooms and up). This phone doesn't change anything about this.
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
What's more, they are at the very best the third to release a dual-lens smartphone - HTC and Huawei/Leica already were there before (the former even with several smartphones). And I would be surprised if the maker (or at least licensor) of the camera module in the iPhone 7+ isn't Sunny Optical as well...
Given that many papers and magazines, both English and German, and not suspected of any kind of syndication or common ownership, have used almost the same wording, I suspect that that is Apple publicity at work.
maitani
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curious to see, if it will beat the nokia 808
Ronald M
Veteran
For years the phone company worked on ergonomics to develop a human compatible design. So did LEICA.
Now we have something akin to a horse designed by a committee.
The block is neither a good phone or a good camera. Cell phone advantage is portable. How is a big fat block portable? I have a GO Phone for 10 years now cost of $15 new and AT&T will no longer support it come Dec 31, 2016. But it can fit in a pocket, and I can carry it with me which I normally do not do.
If someone needs me, they can leave a message.
And texting! Who the heck wants to type on a phone. The idea is to talk and hear a voice .
As far as trade, who needs it except rich people who want to get more rich. We are doing nothing but making some foreign county rich while we get poor. Let them develop their own economy. Trade by definition is you give me something of value, and then I give you something of value. It is not some foreign entity selling goods here and then I send you money. But that is ok I guess, we can just print more money. Sarcasm. But when the petro dollar is crushed, this model goes away and we are screwed.
I leave it up to the curious to look up petrodollar and how it works, why it was set up, and how it is failing and worlds reserve currency. Only they will you realize we are in a race to the bottom and what needs to be done to stop it. You have to November to grab the life ring.
Best use I have seen for the iPhone so far is for my repair man take a photo of the
data plate on my appliances so he can get the correct parts. He also warn me not to get new ones as they are so cheap and engineered to fail. My Speed Queen is 35 years old and it needed a new belt. Back in business. When I bought it, my theory was to buy what the laundromat uses because if it hold up to commercial use, it will hold up to home use. So far so good.
Cell phone is ok if you want the government to track you wherever you go and stores to see what aisle you go to and see how long you stay. And turning off the phone will not help. Then there is issue of every conversation is recorded, not just meta data collected. Trust me. You can buy cases that kill the communication with tracking towers. But then we all need masks so the facial recognition software can follow you wherever. Face not in data base. Think again . Think Drivers license photo.
And license plate readers on all the interstates. No you do not need a toll paying device . They are in the middle of nowhere.
Anybody say police state?
The only good thing I have seen lately is the red light cameras in my neck of the woods have been removed. I will not drive to Chicago anymore. Cars get you in trouble, shoes not likely so far. Maybe shoes will get chips someday. Shush up you fool.
Now we have something akin to a horse designed by a committee.
The block is neither a good phone or a good camera. Cell phone advantage is portable. How is a big fat block portable? I have a GO Phone for 10 years now cost of $15 new and AT&T will no longer support it come Dec 31, 2016. But it can fit in a pocket, and I can carry it with me which I normally do not do.
If someone needs me, they can leave a message.
And texting! Who the heck wants to type on a phone. The idea is to talk and hear a voice .
As far as trade, who needs it except rich people who want to get more rich. We are doing nothing but making some foreign county rich while we get poor. Let them develop their own economy. Trade by definition is you give me something of value, and then I give you something of value. It is not some foreign entity selling goods here and then I send you money. But that is ok I guess, we can just print more money. Sarcasm. But when the petro dollar is crushed, this model goes away and we are screwed.
I leave it up to the curious to look up petrodollar and how it works, why it was set up, and how it is failing and worlds reserve currency. Only they will you realize we are in a race to the bottom and what needs to be done to stop it. You have to November to grab the life ring.
Best use I have seen for the iPhone so far is for my repair man take a photo of the
data plate on my appliances so he can get the correct parts. He also warn me not to get new ones as they are so cheap and engineered to fail. My Speed Queen is 35 years old and it needed a new belt. Back in business. When I bought it, my theory was to buy what the laundromat uses because if it hold up to commercial use, it will hold up to home use. So far so good.
Cell phone is ok if you want the government to track you wherever you go and stores to see what aisle you go to and see how long you stay. And turning off the phone will not help. Then there is issue of every conversation is recorded, not just meta data collected. Trust me. You can buy cases that kill the communication with tracking towers. But then we all need masks so the facial recognition software can follow you wherever. Face not in data base. Think again . Think Drivers license photo.
And license plate readers on all the interstates. No you do not need a toll paying device . They are in the middle of nowhere.
Anybody say police state?
The only good thing I have seen lately is the red light cameras in my neck of the woods have been removed. I will not drive to Chicago anymore. Cars get you in trouble, shoes not likely so far. Maybe shoes will get chips someday. Shush up you fool.
jsrockit
Moderator
Exactly...
Godfrey
somewhat colored
You don't need an iPhone to see photos streamed to flickr, Facebook, instagram, or even the iPhone's stream at iCloud. All you need is something that can look at an http site.
FaceTime includes access to Google, Yahoo, AoL, and other messaging services as well. You don't need Apple equipment on both ends to use it. The native FaceTime protocol is a bit richer than the others, but it knows how switch protocols dynamically when connecting to a non-FaceTime connection.
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Godfrey
somewhat colored
The fact that you have to remind people that these other products had dual-lens smartphones indicates just how pervasive their influence has been... BTW, the iPhone 7+ camera system isn't a dual lens, it's a dual camera system.
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jsrockit
Moderator
A toy that's been used by serious photographers for serious work though...
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Well, sort of, at least. As I said, stock market news suggest it is a camera module by Sunny Optical, the same maker as on all other dual-camera (or dual whatever) smartphones so far. As far as pictures of the Leica ones innards go, these are a single module. With two lenses and presumably two sensors, but they might from a technical perspective (but at higher cost) use one big sensor all across the module.
silent1
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giganova
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Yes, you get the best "bang for the bucks" if you stay within the Apple infrastructure for seamless integration of all iOS and OS X devices.
mpaniagua
Newby photographer
nikonhswebmaster
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Cameron
Established
Magnum Photographer Christopher Anderson was actually featured in the Apple Keynote and praised the iPhone 7.
https://www.instagram.com/christopherandersonphoto/
Cameron
Established
You sound very behind and very uninformed on the times...
mpaniagua
Newby photographer
It boils down to the fact that Iphone will appeal to some and not so to others. I dont like it (different to hate) because:
a) Closed enviroment that doesnt suit me/ agree with me. I dont deny the tight integration between Apple equipments (Iphone,IPad, Mac computers,etc.) and some love it. I dont like it myself, because I like to use Linux on some task, Windows on others and Mac on others.
b) Dont really use phone that much to justify paying for it on cash or getting an (for me) expensive plan that I wont really use that much. Also, not really a fan of Social Networks. My social group (family, friends and current associate) get by without them. Either way, for people that use phone and social networks it is a nice device.
c)As for camera, I think its a nice photo making equipment. It generate nice photos, but it doesnt suit me because, to me, 60% of the photographic experience is the time I expend handlying and taking care of the equipment (I shoot mostly film). Iphone, although its good for what it does, doesnt suit my requirements.
d)Diversity: With Iphone, I find myself limited to a set of fixed features. My film cameras offer me so much diversity that I can choose whatever I like, either for the task at hand or how Im feeling a the moment. Iphone is like a point and shoot camera for me; a veri good and advanced point and shoot camera but a point and shoot.
Has Iphone changed the mobile device market? yes. Has changed the consumer camera market? yes. Also, it changed the professional camera market to a certain degree (the way Lomography did it on its time, meaning, it offers another medium on which to express oneself).
For those that like and enjoy Iphone, I wish you great shots. For those who doesnt like it (like myself), let the world be and get yourself a bunch of film and keep on shoting 🙂 Lets keep the film market alive.
a) Closed enviroment that doesnt suit me/ agree with me. I dont deny the tight integration between Apple equipments (Iphone,IPad, Mac computers,etc.) and some love it. I dont like it myself, because I like to use Linux on some task, Windows on others and Mac on others.
b) Dont really use phone that much to justify paying for it on cash or getting an (for me) expensive plan that I wont really use that much. Also, not really a fan of Social Networks. My social group (family, friends and current associate) get by without them. Either way, for people that use phone and social networks it is a nice device.
c)As for camera, I think its a nice photo making equipment. It generate nice photos, but it doesnt suit me because, to me, 60% of the photographic experience is the time I expend handlying and taking care of the equipment (I shoot mostly film). Iphone, although its good for what it does, doesnt suit my requirements.
d)Diversity: With Iphone, I find myself limited to a set of fixed features. My film cameras offer me so much diversity that I can choose whatever I like, either for the task at hand or how Im feeling a the moment. Iphone is like a point and shoot camera for me; a veri good and advanced point and shoot camera but a point and shoot.
Has Iphone changed the mobile device market? yes. Has changed the consumer camera market? yes. Also, it changed the professional camera market to a certain degree (the way Lomography did it on its time, meaning, it offers another medium on which to express oneself).
For those that like and enjoy Iphone, I wish you great shots. For those who doesnt like it (like myself), let the world be and get yourself a bunch of film and keep on shoting 🙂 Lets keep the film market alive.
Lss
Well-known
For pure image quality in optimal circumstances, or practical cell phone snapping without a tripod? 😀
I'm hoping the 7 (or rather 7+) will finally deliver on the promise of just good enough. All I'm getting out of the 6 is usable shots in good light. But I don't have any fancy raw apps, so I shouldn't complain too much.
emraphoto
Veteran
Let's put things in perspective:
1 - 5x7"
2 - 4x5"
3 - 120
4 - 135
5 - iPhone-like device.
It's not a camera, it's a toy. Besides, didn't Huawei already release this phone a few months ago?
so siZE is what makes it a camera?
dictionary says - "a device that is used for taking photographs or for making movies, television programs, etc"
camera phones are having an unprecedented impact on society. i'd say they are cameras without doubt. potent ones at that.
KM-25
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Pretty incredible if not outright insane the level of denial that goes on within photo enthusiast forums regarding the smartphone camera's enormous impact on society and the whole of photography today.
The image quality is amazing as are the images & videos being made with them. I think the ergonomics are out of this world and allows for a type of purview and spontaneity that you simply can not get in any other camera. You don't even have to really chimp / review the image, you know you got it when you took it!
My 7 + 256GB can't get here soon enough.
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