kbg32
neo-romanticist
George, I work around the block from Photo Village. I would be happy to meet you there sometime next week to help confuse you!
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ywenz said:
Actually, the choice is as much price-driven as anything else! I might one day want to get a digiM so as to have a digi choice in RF gear. But in the meantime, I don't want to just accumulate some M-glass with the possibility that I might someday want to buy a digiM. So if I go the M route, I want a good quality modern M-mount film camera to use it with!
I actually have two Bessa R2S's and like the cost/quality ratio of Cosina's own gear. And I may well decide to just get a R2A as the "excuse" to start getting some M-glass. However, I do think that the ZI is a cut above the R2A justifying its higher price point.
As to emotional attachment, I am rather indifferent in that regard, as you might be able to tell from my ambivilent query.
AE or no AE?
How often will you use 28mm?
Stop in at B&H handle both.
Answer the first two and by time you walk out of B&H you will be satisfied you made a good choice, either way.
How often will you use 28mm?
Stop in at B&H handle both.
Answer the first two and by time you walk out of B&H you will be satisfied you made a good choice, either way.
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kbg32 said:
Keith,
Hey, thanks for the offer. I work in east midtown (Lex and 50th) so normally would have to "beg off". But I might be able to steal a long lunch hour one day early next week. I'll PM you if it looks possible.
Long day by the way. I was up at 3:30 to get to a 9am meeting in Hudson, just a bit NW of Copake I guess. At least I am home early. Spring is beautiful in the Hudson Valley.
jano
Evil Bokeh
George, I've got an M2 and a ZI. I have a suggestion:
1. try to handle the ZI first. It appears the "weight" issue is big for many people, and I've always found it is very helpful to first handle a camera before buying it.
Best way to describe the ZI's weight is "nimbleness" -- I find it very well built. With a ZM lens, it gains that "heft" right back.
The M2 sits on a shelf, collecting dust since I've gotten a luigi case for my ZI. I will occasionally take it out to marvel at the quiet shutter and the heft, but I just don't use it. The last time I used the M2 was for some long-exposure work, where I did not want batteries to become an issue.
1. try to handle the ZI first. It appears the "weight" issue is big for many people, and I've always found it is very helpful to first handle a camera before buying it.
Best way to describe the ZI's weight is "nimbleness" -- I find it very well built. With a ZM lens, it gains that "heft" right back.
The M2 sits on a shelf, collecting dust since I've gotten a luigi case for my ZI. I will occasionally take it out to marvel at the quiet shutter and the heft, but I just don't use it. The last time I used the M2 was for some long-exposure work, where I did not want batteries to become an issue.
Benjamin Marks
Veteran
George: My 2 cents: M6. Proven design. Not battery dependant. Verrrry durable. But the real answer is that, if possible, you should see how each camera feels in your hands and how the lenses that you like work with each body. If I were you, I'd saunter over to B&H, belly up to the counter and get your hands on the Zeiss. Put a couple of your lenses on it and focus around the room. Then head upstairs to the used dept and see if you can find a used M6 to try out. Do the same. There are many potential issues here: VF magnification, eye-relief, rangefinder patch flare, how the camera feels in your hands, ability to see/use the light-meter. These things are intensely personal, if the heartfelt comments of adherants to one brand or the other are to be taken seriously. BTW, although I would choose a gently used M6 (I think the best value in RF photography today on a cost/durability measure), I don't think you can make a bad choice between these cameras.
Ben
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rover said:
Yes, Hudson is about 19m W (or WNW) of Copake and Spring has certainly sprung upstate. If I'd known you were headed that way I would have suggested a small detour just south of Hudson into apple country (although the blossoms may be just about done now).
copake_ham said:
Some day when I am making the trip alone I will take my camera and loiter around looking for photos. I had to wear a tie today and act professional unfortunately.
Gid
Well-known
You've had plenty of good advice, but in the end its emotional. The fact is, you've narrowed your choice down to two cameras by whatever means YOU use. If you buy the M6 you'll most likely regret not having the Zeiss and vice versa. There is only one solution - get them both That is exactly what happened to me - choice between Hexar RF and M6 - went for the Hexar (great choice) - 4 weeks later got an M6 (also a great choice). Didn't do my finances any good, but got rid of my angst. Now I just have too many choices
That is exactly what happened to me - choice between Hexar RF and M6 - went for the Hexar (great choice) - 4 weeks later got an M6 (also a great choice). Didn't do my finances any good, but got rid of my angst. Now I just have too many choices CosmicCharlie
Established
Hello everyone,
This is my first post and I am already adding my 2 cents.
I would get a classic non ttl user M6.
This is my first post and I am already adding my 2 cents.
I would get a classic non ttl user M6.
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rover said:
Actually, there is some good shooting right in Hudson (particularly along Warren and State Streets). It has been undergoing quite a renaissance and become an antiques center. I wear a tie every work day - I've never felt that meant I had to act "professional"!
Just kidding, boss - yes sir, I will get off the web.....
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CosmicCharlie said:
Cosmic,
Glad to be the recipient of your first post. TTL is essential. I have a Nikon S2 and SP for the "purist" approach. Sometimes I just want to have one less thing to fiddle with!
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shutterflower said:
Bastards! All of you!
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Will said:
I never had that with my M2. With my Bessa R and L and the CL, yes, but never with the M2. And I took it to Mongolia. Guess I shouldn't have taken the others first to Mongolia, and China, and India.
copake_ham said:Cosmic,
Glad to be the recipient of your first post. TTL is essential. I have a Nikon S2 and SP for the "purist" approach. Sometimes I just want to have one less thing to fiddle with!
Is flash a concern? If so, the ZI does not have TTL flash control. The M6 Classic, ZI and M6 TTL all have TTL metering. The essential difference between the 2 M6 models is the added TTL flash control of the later model.
Benjamin Marks
Veteran
copake_ham said:
George: TTL in this case means TTL flash ONLY with the dedicated Leica Flash. All metering on the M6's is TTL. Thus: a non-TTL M6 (also called the M6 Classic) is an M6 from before circuitry was added for TTL flash. It is slightly shorter (1 or 2 mm) than the M6 TTL and its shutter speed dial rotates in the opposite direction.
Goodyear
Happy-snap ninja
That sounds like an argument for a camera with AE capability...copake_ham said:Cosmic,
Glad to be the recipient of your first post. TTL is essential. I have a Nikon S2 and SP for the "purist" approach. Sometimes I just want to have one less thing to fiddle with!
At the risk of hijacking the thread a little (sorry):
What is everyone's hang-up on batteries? If you can carry a spare roll of film, you can carry a couple of button cells. If you run out of batteries then yes an electronic camera is dead, but if you run out of film a mechanical camera is dead. And as for the 'out in the cold' argument - how often is that an issue?
(By the by, all my 35mm shooting is with mechanical cameras - but that's just because I like 'em.)
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that 'out in the cold' thing is real for me.
but i have never had a problem with a battery operated camera that an extra set of warm batteries could not fix.
the biggest weight difference between the cameras is when the lenses are attached.
there is less of a difference in feel when it's just the bodies compared.
joe
but i have never had a problem with a battery operated camera that an extra set of warm batteries could not fix.
the biggest weight difference between the cameras is when the lenses are attached.
there is less of a difference in feel when it's just the bodies compared.
joe
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Out in the cold has never been a problem for me. At least not the last few times I spend several weeks in -35C in winter in Mongolia with my Bessa R, my CL or (in earlier times) my Eos 3000. Bring some spare batteries and your settled.