News on the Fuji GF670 - very upsetting

[Soeren]

No. Should it? Which? 😀
Kind regards

 

[dazedgonebye]

I had the same thought about 667.
"The Devil's little brother."

Might be the source of a good nickname in there somewhere.

 

[shadowfox]

Wait, the spec said that this beauty uses 120 *and* 220 films.

AFAIK there is no 220 format film made "fresh" anymore. Don't tell me that they are catering to film-in-the-fridge across the globe?

Does this mean we're going to see a new batch of 220 films being made somewhere? If so, I'm even happier 🙂

Yes, this is another question turned speculation turned rumor. Spread on! 😉

 

[shadowfox]

As far as I care about names, they can even call it Holga II.

But I share your concerns about price and pockets.

Same here, they can call it RamenSupaCamera-707 III and I'd still want one 🙂

 

[squirrel$$$bandit]

AFAIK there is no 220 format film made "fresh" anymore. Don't tell me that they are catering to film-in-the-fridge across the globe?

here's some

 

[KoNickon]

Yeah, I wasn't aware that 220 film was no longer being made.

I like 667 -- sounds like a muscle car. Rather quaint too -- reminds me of the Yashicamat 124 (combination of 12 and 24).

 

[johnalex141r]

Unfortunately, only 1 B&W 220 film...

Unfortunately, only 1 B&W 220 film...

Unfortunately, only one black and white film in 220 format; wish Ilford would fix their 220 machine; but that is not likely.

BTW - I picked up 10 rolls of TXP-220 (and 10 SFX200 in 120 format) in LA in August; 220 TXP IS available - it was really nice to be able to walk in and pick it up - just like the old days..... Hopefully my 10 rolls (and, more in the future) will do a little bit to keep Kodak producing 220 B&W film.

here's some

JohnS.

 

[David Goldfarb]

Kodak is still offering TXP 220 and Kodak and Fuji have a variety of color neg and slide films in 220.

 

[aizan]

You could buy the Fuji branded version instead.

yeah, and there's always that roll of black tape.

 

[Pherdinand]

it was actually great with my 6x9 fuji, to use 220 slide and have 16 frames instead of 8 in one run.
They are still made, but it is not too easy to find them locally.

 

[shadowfox]

here's some

I know that we still can get 220 films (not from Freestyle though, curiously).

But my question is: Do they still make them?

 

[johnalex141r]

220 film

220 film

My TXP-320 in 220 came from Freestyle in August, from the store.

What seems to happen is that the manufacturers make "batches" of film; cut it up, and then sell it. IIRC, from www.apug.org, the TXP-320 was a "test" to see if the market is still there. It appears that it is, if the film is no longer available from Freestyle.

Here's a story about Kodachrome, that might give more info on film production:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080922.wgtkodak0922/BNStory/Technology/

JohnS.

I know that we still can get 220 films (not from Freestyle though, curiously).

But my question is: Do they still make them?

 

[Roger Hicks]

Voigtländer outside Japan. I've handled it.

Cheers,

R.

 

[Solinar]

Voigtländer outside Japan. I've handled it.

Cheers,

R.

Is mum the word or can you tell us about the viewfinder frame lines for 6x6 and 6x7?

 

[JanPB]

I wouldn't be surprised by ~$2,000

I wouldn't be surprised by ~$2,000

This camera's nearest relative is Plaubel Makina 670 which is also a folder with an 80mm (Nikon) lens. Although the Makina has a light meter, it has no AE mode, BUT its lens is one stop brighter at f/2.8 and is of exceptional quality. Now consider this: Makinas have been out of production since 1987 AND one has just sold on eBay for $2,100.

Obviously someone must have been noticing the prices on used Plaubels and figured it was a market worth re-entering.

Update: Look here - about $3,000???

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Jan

 

[kuzano]

Amazing you should mention this on RFF of all places

Amazing you should mention this on RFF of all places

This camera's nearest relative is Plaubel Makina 670 which is also a folder with an 80mm (Nikon) lens. Although the Makina has a light meter, it has no AE mode, BUT its lens is one stop brighter at f/2.8 and is of exceptional quality. Now consider this: Makinas have been out of production since 1987 AND one has just sold on eBay for $2,100.

Obviously someone must have been noticing the prices on used Plaubels and figured it was a market worth re-entering.

Update: Look here - about $3,000???

About 3 weeks ago, I listed a Craigslist posting from Portland Oregon for a Plaubel Makina for $1000. It was just relisted again this week. When I listed the craigslist posting here, a bunch of people jumped in and pisssed all over the listing... about how it was worth $350 if that. All complaints, no positive comments.

I've been buying and selling camera's on ebay for about six years and I know my stuff. Furthermore, I've been pretty much a "gear hog" with ethics for 30 plus years. The craigslist post was complete with exceptions to the camera and it still looked like a decent value to me. I have to say, based on that "pass it along", that was the last time I bring a listing that is not my own, to this forum.

 

[JanPB]

About 3 weeks ago, I listed a Craigslist posting from Portland Oregon for a Plaubel Makina for $1000. It was just relisted again this week. When I listed the craigslist posting here, a bunch of people jumped in and pisssed all over the listing... about how it was worth $350 if that. All complaints, no positive comments.

I don't know, people can piss all they want but the guy got his $2,100 (and it was a restricted US-only sale on top of that: clickety-click). The W67 model goes even higher typically.

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Jan

 

[Ernst Dinkla]

This camera's nearest relative is Plaubel Makina 670 which is also a folder with an 80mm (Nikon) lens. Although the Makina has a light meter, it has no AE mode, BUT its lens is one stop brighter at f/2.8 and is of exceptional quality. Now consider this: Makinas have been out of production since 1987 AND one has just sold on eBay for $2,100.

Obviously someone must have been noticing the prices on used Plaubels and figured it was a market worth re-entering.

Update: Look here - about $3,000???

--
Jan

The pricing of small scale production items is more and more based on collector's value. It wouldn't surprise me if a quarter of the Bessa III's will not produce more than one roll of film and go into the velvet lined safe's of (Asian) collectors. Like me they vote with their wallet but the outcome is different. A perfect, legitimate marketing model. My assumption that Fuji wants to sell film with this camera has been wrong from the start. There's far more gain in selling this camera on its own. Fuji/Cosina would be smart to keep 10 percent of the production in their own vaults.

Ernst Dinkla

 

[kuzano]

I agree with you... eBay sales are hi for this one!

I agree with you... eBay sales are hi for this one!

I don't know, people can piss all they want but the guy got his $2,100 (and it was a restricted US-only sale on top of that: clickety-click). The W67 model goes even higher typically.Jan

I was absolutely shocked at the general response to the listing on this forum. I watched the sky that night and it was not a full moon. I'm pretty hesitant to post such "pass alongs" on forums, but I thought this would be a good idea... Wrong!

 

[kuzano]

That's an interesting point, well thought out....

That's an interesting point, well thought out....

The pricing of small scale production items is more and more based on collector's value. It wouldn't surprise me if a quarter of the Bessa III's will not produce more than one roll of film and go into the velvet lined safe's of (Asian) collectors. Like me they vote with their wallet but the outcome is different. A perfect, legitimate marketing model. My assumption that Fuji wants to sell film with this camera has been wrong from the start. There's far more gain in selling this camera on its own. Fuji/Cosina would be smart to keep 10 percent of the production in their own vaults.

Ernst Dinkla

But part of me thinks that if Fuji was after a serious money collector market, Cosina would not have been included in the mix. I really think they intended to sell quite a few of these.