Nikkor 8.5cm f/2 -- Black and Chrome

VinceC

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I just bought a black-barrel version of the 8.5cm f/2 Nikkor. These are fairly rare, because, by the time the black barrel Nikkors were introduced, the majority of Nikon photographers were switching to the 10.5cm focal length.

A couple of forum members expressed interest in comparing my two samples, in part to collect anecdotal evidence on whether the late black lenses use a modified optical formula.

The black lens was listed in 7 out of 10 condition, and that's about right. The filter threads are out of round (not all of my 48mm filters fit on it as a result), there are a few tiny marks on the coatings, the focus turns freely but feels like the lubricant is pretty dry. You can hear it rubbing. The seller said it was mainly stored unused for the last 25 years. The chrome lens has been a daily user for 17 years now but is in slightly better condition, smoother focus, fewer marks on the glass. The chrome lens has an <EP> mark on the mount lock, meaning it was sold in a military post exchange. However, my chrome lens is self-made hybrid. I broke it's front element on assignment about 15 years ago and swapped out the optical group with a Contax-mount Nikkor 85/2, shimming it to focus properly.

The chrome lens is a very late chrome serial # -- 400XXX.
The black lens is a very late black serial # 497XXX.

Weight:
Chrome lens weighs 375 grams / 13.2 ounces.
Black lens weights 325 grams 11.5 ounces (scale accuracy +/- 10 grams)

Coatings:
Chrome - predominantly blue-purple front, blue-purple rear.
Black - predominantly yellow front (like on the pre-AI SLR lenses) and purple with less blue on the rear.

One roll of test shots, including a few side-by side tests, showed no apparent difference in sharpness or contrast.

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Closeup, wide open with black 85/2
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And approximately f/2.8, with focus backed off a bit.
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And a couple of side-by-side image tests

1st picture with the black lens, second picture with the chrome lens. Both lenses with a skylight filter.

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And a fnal test showing longer shots, f/2.8 or f/4

First shot black, second shot chrome. Not filter on either lens.

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I've gone digital inasmuch as I just have my negs developed and scanned to CD for 2 megapixal files. So there aren't any prints.

I also thought there was a shade more contrast with the black, possibly due to coatings.
 
One more side by side. First shot black, second shot chrome. (Most of the chome shots have the black lens in them to be safe).


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When I bought my black 35mm F2.5 last year the guy also offered to me a black 85mm (last version). I turned it down as I thought over $1K even for a mint one was a little excessive - at least for me. I have a chrome "S" mount and a LTM 85mm F2, that is, which I don't use as much as I should. Maybe now with the new SP it will be more convenient to use the 85mm with the built in viewfinder.

Yes Vince, looks like that black one has slightly more contrast. I did a test of my LTM 85 F2 verses an AI 85 F2, side by side, same shots, same exposure one after another, one on M4 and the other on F4s and I couldn't tell the difference. Of course I don't know if they are the same formula.
 
>>Just for the record you have the last version, there was an earlier black version which is exactly the same as the chrome one preceeding, it except for the color. There were only 1600 of the final version built, so they are harder to find.<<

Thanks for the info.
 
NIKON KIU said:
Roland has a black one in screw-mount he uses, I wonder if he would join in?
Kiu

Thanks, Kiu. And thanks, Vince, for the comparison - I'm also glad you
found a black one ....

The black 85/2 LTM is my all-time favorite lens. I never have shot chrome and black side by side, but didn't feel any difference, optically. Great mellow colors, and great compromise (for me) of sharpness vs. OOF behavior, wide open. Plus the lens is small and doesn't scare people - similar to, say, a Jupiter-9.

I like the 105/2.5, too, and it produces a little nicer results wide open.
But it is bigger and heavier, and has longer minimum focus distance.

I have shown most of these before:

Shot with a chrome LTM 85/2 (typically on Reala):

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Chrome lens flare test - when you zoom in on the saddle you can
nicely count the aperture blades in the sun's reflection:

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And photos taken with a black one:

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Best,

Roland.
 
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The earlier 85 Nikkor

The earlier 85 Nikkor

The first version of the 8.5cm f2 exactly duplicated the finish of the chrome finish. Check picture and note the fine milling on the focus ring and the placement of the focuse and aperture rings next to each other (very annoying, BTW). The first black-version is actually rarer than the final version. WES LODER
 

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Thanks for the CLA info, Roland. I did that a long time ago with my chrome lens, and it still practically glides while focusing. My newer black version doesn't unscrew by hand the way the older chrome and black versions do. So I've been living with it being a bit stiff. It has loosened up a bit with use.
 
Vince, strangely but to me the output of your chrome sample looks a tad better.
 
Eugene,
I generally don't see any meaningful difference. I go back and forth on thinking one might be a tad better than the other, so any real differences are so subtle they would be overcome by variations in warming filters and 20 seconds of PhotoShop tweaking.

The black lens weighs less, attracts less attention and is properly alligned, so for me it's a keeper. That gorgeous chrome lens aways seems to call attention to itself. When I use it, a lot of people recocnize the whole camera setup as something old and classic and start talking about cameras with me. When I use one of my other black lenses, the camera is pretty much invisible to them.
 
While looking at only one color sample, the chrome one seems to be a tad warmer than the black lens.

Of course the cooler photos of the black lens can be tweaked to the levels one cares to have.

I like the rendition from the chrome lens.

Chrome ones are pretty heavy though.
 
I have been looking at the picture of the girl scout cookie boxes for the last two days,stealing fellow employees cookies at the same time😉 , and I gotta say, the second row of boxes from the right side, looks more in focus than the black lens.
Is it my lousy monitor at work? Or is the chrome lens a bit sharper?

Kiu
 
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