Nikon 40.5mm thread filters rare?

[Chuffed Cheese]

Hi,

I'm thinking of selling along my Nikon S2 and wanted to maybe inquire about the value of original filters for the system before listing it. I have L38 filter that was included when I originally purchased my S2. I left it off the camera and put it aside but after doing some research on filters for this camera system it seems like the general consensus is that the OEM filters are somewhat rare. Is there any added value to having this filter? Is it more a collectors market or not? Thanks for any advice. I hope this inquiry doesn't bother anyone so thanks for your time.

 

[jonmanjiro]

Nikon 40.5mm thread filters rare?

40.5mm filters are fairly common by Nikon filter standards. The filters are worth $10-20 maybe but no more. Genuine Nikon 34.5mm filters on the other hand...

 

[Chuffed Cheese]

Nikon 40.5mm thread filters rare?

40.5mm filters are fairly common by Nikon filter standards. The filters are worth $10-20 maybe but no more. Genuine Nikon 34.5mm filters on the other hand...

perfect. thanks very much. just unusual that eBay has virtually no sales history for them.

 

[richardHaw]

added value: not much, really

rarity: here in Japan, they're reasonably plentiful but NOT common.

when buying new filters, be careful because these old lenses have a different thread pitch 😱😱😱

 

[jonmanjiro]

Nikon 40.5mm thread filters rare?

FWIW the Marumi and Kenko 40.5mm filters I've tried (which should have the modern 0.75mm thread pitch rather than the 0.50mm thread pitch of the original Nikon RF filters and lenses) are fully usable on RF Nikkors.

 

[Dez]

I think it was only the 43mm filter that had an unusual thread pitch.

Cheers,
Dez

 

[richardHaw]

If I recall, my 40.5mm Nikkors won't accept recently-made filters and accessories in the sense that you can screw these in BUT they won't go in all the way. a shop keeper (Alps-do? most likely) told me that I shouldn't do this because the pitch is different and if I keep doing it then the threads will ear out since its just brass. according to him, this is a sign that the accessories aren't compatible and the thread pitches are different 😱😱😱

 

[farlymac]

If I recall, my 40.5mm Nikkors won't accept recently-made filters and accessories in the sense that you can screw these in BUT they won't go in all the way. a shop keeper (Alps-do? most likely) told me that I shouldn't do this because the pitch is different and if I keep doing it then the threads will ear out since its just brass. according to him, this is a sign that the accessories aren't compatible and the thread pitches are different 😱😱😱

Could be why my 35/2.8 came apart when I tried to remove the generic lens hood I'd installed.

PF

 

[Corran]

Genuine Nikon 34.5mm filters on the other hand...

A few years ago I bought a whole set of 34.5mm filters for $5 on eBay, poorly listed. The yellow filter fell out of my pocket or something when using it though 😡.

 

[richardHaw]

Could be why my 35/2.8 came apart when I tried to remove the generic lens hood I'd installed.

PF

I don't know to be honest but that is likely. 😱😱😱

I think the new 2000 version is OK with newer filters and accessories.

 

[jonmanjiro]

Nikon 40.5mm thread filters rare?

I use modern Kenko filters on all my vintage RF Nikkors that take 40.5mm and 43mm filters. They screw on and off properly and Ive had no problem so far (fingers crossed).

 

[jonmanjiro]

Could be why my 35/2.8 came apart when I tried to remove the generic lens hood I'd installed.

PF

Possibly that, or you screwed the hood on too tight, of a combination of both.

I accidentally unscrewed the front optical cell of my reissue 35/1.8 one time when attempting to remove a filter that was screwed on a little too tight. Not hard to do as the optical cells of these lenses are generally just the sum of multiple parts screwed together no tighter than your average filter is screwed on.

 

[bluesun267]

I have had no problems with modern 40.5mm or 43mm filters on my Nikkors. I've used B+W, Hoya, Vivitar. Oddly enough the only thing that gave me trouble (not screwing in all the way) was the hood from a vintage 43mm filter kit by Walz.

 

[richardHaw]

that Walz hood might be an older one 😱😱😱

maybe the lenses that accept modern filters came out after a certain date? maybe we can find a pattern and "filter-out" which lenses will accept newer threads basing on the year they were made? 🙄

 

[Livesteamer]

This and other threads have made me curious so today I took seven LTM lens's into the Wake Forest Physics department machine shop because they have a metric thread gauge and I don't.

All were .5mm in pitch but taking a close look I found that my filters, while .75mm pitch, had at most one or two threads allowing some compatability between the different threads. The key thing. Don't force it.
NKJ 50mm f1.4 .5mm
NKT 50mm f1.4 .5mm
Nikkor 50mm f2.0 (two examples) .5mm
Nikkor 3.5cm f2.5 .5mm
Nikkor 2.8cm f3.5 .5mm
Jupiter 8 50mm f2.0 tabbed .5mm

I should note the two Nikkor 50mm f2.0 lens's behave differently in accepting filters and hoods so just use them gently. Joe

 

[farlymac]

Possibly that, or you screwed the hood on too tight, of a combination of both.

I accidentally unscrewed the front optical cell of my reissue 35/1.8 one time when attempting to remove a filter that was screwed on a little too tight. Not hard to do as the optical cells of these lenses are generally just the sum of multiple parts screwed together no tighter than your average filter is screwed on.

Yeah, it was 20°F and blowing snow, and I used the hood to change the aperture setting while wearing gloves. Then when I brought it inside and it warmed to room temperature was when the front half of the lens came off with the hood.

PF

 

[richardHaw]

This and other threads have made me curious so today I took seven LTM lens's into the Wake Forest Physics department machine shop because they have a metric thread gauge and I don't.

All were .5mm in pitch but taking a close look I found that my filters, while .75mm pitch, had at most one or two threads allowing some compatability between the different threads. The key thing. Don't force it.
NKJ 50mm f1.4 .5mm
NKT 50mm f1.4 .5mm
Nikkor 50mm f2.0 (two examples) .5mm
Nikkor 3.5cm f2.5 .5mm
Nikkor 2.8cm f3.5 .5mm
Jupiter 8 50mm f2.0 tabbed .5mm

I should note the two Nikkor 50mm f2.0 lens's behave differently in accepting filters and hoods so just use them gently. Joe

this is super useful! 😱😱😱

 

[Highway 61]

I use modern B+W, Heliopan and Hoya filters on all my vintage RF Nikkors that take 40.5mm and 43mm filters. They screw on and off properly and I've had no problem so far. Fingers not crossed any longer, because I started to use those filters more than 15 years ago... 😀

Even the most recent Hoya Pro 1 Digital 40.5mm filters (which are probably the best bang for the bucks, quality/price wise) do it all fine.

The same with screw-in lens hoods of various origins including no name Japanese hoods, vintage vented or not vented Hoya hoods and Chinese vented hoods designed after the Leica 12585 and 12504 ones.

I have some Nikon 40.5mm and 43mm filters and 43mm hoods the same vintage as the lenses. I couldn't notice any difference between how the vintage OEM and modern aftermarket stuff screws on and off.

I've had many versions of all those vintage lenses (early chrome, mid-run chrome, early black, late black) and couldn't notice any difference in how the above mentioned filters and hoods would screw and unscrew.

At some point I used to own a Nikkor-P-C 10.5cm f/2.5 with the dots for the bayonet lens hood (so, early model). My modern 52mm filters and hoods could also screw on and off with no problem.

The only 40.5mm accessory which I can't use on the vintage Nikkors is a vintage vented Walz hood marked "For Sonnar" because it wouldn't stay tight on the Nikkors noses and would always screw in wrong. Strangely enough it screws and unscrews perfectly when I use it on my vintage Zeiss Sonnars in Contax mount. And, with those same Sonnars, all my modern 40.5mm filters and hoods screw and unscrew just perfectly too.

The only 43mm accessory which I couldn't use on my vintage Nikkors was a modern B+W MRC UV filter which wouldn't screw in fully. Yet it screwed in fully on the Millenium Nikkor 50mm f/1.4 (now sold together). The other very same 43mm filter which I have (same markings exactly) screw on and off perfectly on all my vintage Nikkors that take 43mm filters and it did the same on the Millenium Nikkor.

A matter of tiny tolerances for sure...

 

[iphoenix]

Walz made the 43mm hood in 2 thread pitches. The standard one is stamped "43mm S" and it will only go to about 2 threads onto a Nikkor lens before jamming. The one for the Nikkor lens is stamped "For Nikkor f/1.4" and screws in all the way on both 50/1.4 and 135/3.5 lenses.
I would assume they did the same for 40.5mm hoods, but I have no proof of this.