bmattock
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With the exception of the "sadly," I completely agree with you. America is different. My argument is that a) that's not wrong, and b) it's no one's business but ours anyway. So Nikon can't show boobies on television ads here in the USA. Big deal. Boo-hoo.
If the concept of a boobie-less Nikon ad really gets up one's sleeve as an American citizen, one can try to change the laws, or one can move to where boobies are in season and everybody loves to see 'em, or one can buy magazines and watch cable networks and visit internet sites that cater to such desires. There are lots of options for the boobie-deprived. Forcing the rest of America to be more like the world one prefers isn't one of them. And that's bad how?
bmattock
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Ego te absolvo. Go and sin no more.
amoz
Established
That second one (with the bbq) was used by a club here in Antwerp, a few years back. Next to it being a pretty funny image, I liked the summer atmosphere it conveyed and put it on my fridge for a while.
migtex
Don't eXchange Freedom!
I thing that the marketing people from Nikon never thought their Ad's could lead this way.... go figure!
infrequent
Well-known
what utter crock! you haven't seen any of the sports teams do that when they sing the national anthem?!
peterm1
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Sports teams may do it mate. But if the "man in the street" did it I can ssure you that we would deport them to a Tasmanian penal colony!
PS your language is intemperate! I think we should export you to a Tasmanian penal colony. :^)
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gavinlg
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I like progressive and intelligent societies that aren't governed by the worlds major business and propaganda machines (religion). I went to an anglican school that were extremely christian and after being forced to be a part of their wacky system of beliefs I do not a) trust, b) particularly like or c) want to be be anywhere around fanatical christian fruitloops. I'm lucky in that Australia is a country where I can believe what I want to believe.
For instance: Being told by a school religion teacher that mentally disabled people are "normal people but with demons possessing them" and then getting scolded when I argued the fact is just one example that forms the roots by which my religious disdain has grown.
In my (prickish) opinion there are too many prudish christian housewives that have nothing better to do than to stick their noses into other peoples business and ruin things for others. We get them in Australia as well. The US is particularly strange in that the people of the US like to think they live in a morally correct society but when you scratch that surface you unveil a whole lot of "sinning" going on. It's sort of like a secret shame.
I enjoyed both those nikon ads - thought they were very clever.
For instance: Being told by a school religion teacher that mentally disabled people are "normal people but with demons possessing them" and then getting scolded when I argued the fact is just one example that forms the roots by which my religious disdain has grown.
In my (prickish) opinion there are too many prudish christian housewives that have nothing better to do than to stick their noses into other peoples business and ruin things for others. We get them in Australia as well. The US is particularly strange in that the people of the US like to think they live in a morally correct society but when you scratch that surface you unveil a whole lot of "sinning" going on. It's sort of like a secret shame.
I enjoyed both those nikon ads - thought they were very clever.
gavinlg
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I wonder how this would do in America?
(personal favorite from Olympus)
(personal favorite from Olympus)
dexdog
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don't lump all Americans together, mate
. I think that the ads are in poor taste, but I would not care if they were displayed in certain mediums. Not suitable for newspapers or billboards, but would have no problem in a magazine.
infrequent
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@fdigital - oh..that's clever. definitely better than the nikon ads. and possibly would be passable in most places.
gb hill
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Pretty bad when you have to use sluts to sell a camera.
Al Kaplan
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I don't see any sluts. I see a model who probably earns more money that most of the people reading this forum.
Kevin
Rainbow Bridge
Nudity and sexual connotations in public advertising are long-term mental terror tactics. When will it all end so that we can may get on and concentrate on more important tasks?
They really treat us like horny animals over here. It doesn't matter if they are selling yogurt or chocolate or sausage snacks. Tits and butts are wiggling all over the place.
If you think about it, a breast was really just meant to give milk to babes, not to show off (be used as a vanity symbol).
They really treat us like horny animals over here. It doesn't matter if they are selling yogurt or chocolate or sausage snacks. Tits and butts are wiggling all over the place.
If you think about it, a breast was really just meant to give milk to babes, not to show off (be used as a vanity symbol).
peterm1
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I could not agree more!. I dont care what people do - as long as they dont "do it in the street and frighten the horses." (attributed to Mrs. Patrick Campbell, British actress, circa 1910)
On a more serious note I think that the US system of politics supports wacky beliefs being foisted on the populace. Partly due to the power of religion in that country and partly because the political system is reliant on lobbyists and their money for support. This creates fertile ground for powerful goups to exploit.
Gumby
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Yawn .
aizan
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let's just say I'm American and I like all of these ads just fine, even the one with "savages".
gavinlg
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Sluts?
I wouldn't have expected that sort of terminology from a photographer about models in a marketing campaign. Doesn't really fit.
Me? I love ads like this. They're funny, they're sexy, and a little bit controversial. As far as I'm concerned if people don't like them, they don't have to look at them. Just don't ruin it for the rest of us who enjoy the natural physical attraction between sexes.
That's right, NATURAL physical attraction.
FrankS
Registered User
GB, that was a bit judgemental. You don't know this woman/these women at all.
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Gumby
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Who is he talking about... the gal in post #67... the one with great legs?
bmattock
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You mean, like telling Americans how they should behave, that the morals they have chosen for themselves (regardless of how you feel about them) are wrong, and that they should change? That kind of sticking their noses where they don't belong? Is that the kind you mean?
I believe you are Australian, right. As in a citizen of? Living there and not here in the USA? So you have exactly WHAT business telling us how wrong our morals are? Please explain that one, I'm fascinated.
I can't recall the last time I thought to myself "Boy, those Australians just don't live right according to MY standards. I wish they'd change." But ya'll just did that - and somehow WE are the ones ruining YOUR fun? We're invading YOUR turf? We're telling YOU how to live?
Uh-huh.
Gee, ya think? I'll bet if you look in a mirror, you'll see one.
Funny, we're a big polyglot, all of us believe slightly different things, not many of us agree on all things, but we somehow ALL believe the same thing when it comes to boobies on TV, is that right? Odd, I never noticed that before. I guess we all vote for the same person and smoke the same brand of cigarettes, yes? I'm sorry, is that like thinking that everyone from Australian drinks Foster's Lager and says G'Day and wrestles crocodiles and carries huge knives and doesn't know what a bidet is? Like that? Yes, we're all alike here, we all believe boobies are sinful and we'll vanish in a puff of smoke straight to hell if we so much as think of touching one....BAMF. Oops.
OK, I'm back from hell.
How about this - the majority in this country don't want to see boobies on broadcast TV or on billboards, so we make laws that prohibit that sort of thing. Some localities don't have such a problem, and in those places, there is less resistance to it - some places are more strict. That's called 'community standards' and the way to get those things changed, if one believes they are wrong, is either become the majority and vote them in, or convince others to see things your way and vote them in. Either way, majority rules and that seems to me to be a pretty good idea.
Why should the majority not set the standards when it comes to community affairs that affect everyone? Are your rights in some way being violated because you can't see boobies on broadcast TV in most of the USA? Bearing in mind, of course, what I said earlier - there are boobies galore available to most Americans on demand - just not in public. So no one is denied access to boobies.
As to 'secret shame', I suppose one could argue even if we were all of the same mind with regard to broadcast boobies and billboard butts, none of us are perfect and even those with the highest morals quite often fall short of that goal. It is no sin to aim for high ethical standards and excellent morals, even if few of us can attain them. Of course, that makes those who try to be better people a target for those who don't think anyone can be better than a common animal and therefore should not try. Some of try, fail, and then are held up as laughing stocks for having even attempted it. Perhaps we should just roll around in the mud with the rest of the livestock, eh?
I think that sex sells, it always has, and it always will. Local ads are designed for local tastes and standards - which is why these types of ads don't run in the USA. I have nothing against sex, nothing against Nikon, and nothing against the ads. But this thread began as a bash on Americans for being - gasp - Americans; it was never about the ads. Or didn't you get that?
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