literiter
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Play nice kids. I'm outa here.
Nikon D4 is coming....
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let's be nice folks...it's only a camera.
jsrockit
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f6andBthere
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Well ... love or hate the thing an awful lot of the world's significant images will be taken with it in 2012 because ultimately it's a pro's tool!
user237428934
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Just flipped through some posts in a Nikon board and there the enthusiasm about the improvements in this camera is quite limited.
migtex
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D4 203.200 ISO..... looks like 1600 ISO from my D2H....
celluloidprop
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Dynamic range is the next war I'd like to see.
furcafe
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Or, god forbid, Nikon, et al. might learn something from Apple & actually design cameras that don't need a 450-page instruction manual (472 pages for the D700).
user237428934
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The basic functions of the D700 work without even touching the manual, right?
furcafe
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Not for me. Maybe for someone who's used to the "new" (post Canon T90-type) cameras, but it took me 2 or 3 hours to learn how to use it properly & program it to work as much as possible like a camera from the early 1980s, e.g., disabling aperture control from the body (what happened to aperture rings?), programming in my old Ai lenses, etc. I'm very right-handed, but find the whole right-hand-centric, pistol-grip, ergonomics to be kind of frustrating & weird (like someone who's used to driving a manual transmission finds their left foot & right hand w/nothing to do when they drive an automatic).
Of course, I exaggerate as the manual could be condensed (without change in typeface, etc.) to about 200 pages by a good writer & much of it addresses things I couldn't care less about (video, etc.).
Of course, I exaggerate as the manual could be condensed (without change in typeface, etc.) to about 200 pages by a good writer & much of it addresses things I couldn't care less about (video, etc.).
uhoh7
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"The D800 is expected to have three times the sensor resolution and a bigger display than the D700 it will replace, as well as 1080p/30/25/24 video recording and the same autofocus system as in the D3."
Not that it really matters to me--too big. 🙂
Not that it really matters to me--too big. 🙂
segedi
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Well, if Apple designed the camera and software, each firmware update would require you to download an ever-increasingly sized file, login even if you had already been logged in, replace the entire software system and then run a check afterwards to see if it was the latest update. 🙂
And after the next camera came out, the firmware update would cause your camera to take 3 times as long to startup and write to a disc. Cause frequent lockups and crashes until you became so frustrated you were either persuaded to update your camera to the newest version. or go back to film.
Back to topic, I'm underwhelmed with the specs so far. And while ISO 2 kajillion is a nice marketing ploy, the images look awful. No thanks.
And after the next camera came out, the firmware update would cause your camera to take 3 times as long to startup and write to a disc. Cause frequent lockups and crashes until you became so frustrated you were either persuaded to update your camera to the newest version. or go back to film.
Back to topic, I'm underwhelmed with the specs so far. And while ISO 2 kajillion is a nice marketing ploy, the images look awful. No thanks.
celluloidprop
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ISO 200k is the 'extended' ISO, it won't look good. ISO 100k is the top built-in, and I suspect it will look much, much better.
furcafe
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I'm no Apple fanboy, but these sound like complaints that apply to the computer industry as a whole, including Microsoft. My point was simply that Apple at least tries (or tried under Jobs) to make computers, MP3 players, & phones work more like appliances, not machines for hobbyists to tinker with & tweak. In the camera industry, it's clear that the engineers, not the industrial designers, are fully in charge. I'm not knocking technological progress, just the way it's implemented.
segedi
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Please take my comments a bit tongue-in-cheek. Being able to record any image at ISO 204,000, or whatever it is, is an amazing techinical acheivement for Canon and Nikon. I'd just like to see a manufacturer have the guts to not put in features which only aid with marketing hype. Nikon and Canon have figured this out with the megapixel war, but the ISO wars still rage and to what benefit?
I agree with a previous poster that wants to see more dynamic range though.
But I am unhappy that my iPhone 3 is a total dog now.
I agree with a previous poster that wants to see more dynamic range though.
But I am unhappy that my iPhone 3 is a total dog now.
nobbylon
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It does make me smile that on a forum that is mainly concerned with rangefinders and endless threads about how light weight and discrete their cameras are, that this D4 causes so much of a stir!
I think it's amazing and would if the need arose, buy one in an instant. Yes it's got a lot of buttons and automation etc however it's sole purpose is to get THE picture and get it where it's required asap, end of. I'm sure Nikon have got it right again.
I think it's amazing and would if the need arose, buy one in an instant. Yes it's got a lot of buttons and automation etc however it's sole purpose is to get THE picture and get it where it's required asap, end of. I'm sure Nikon have got it right again.
celluloidprop
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I don't know that the ISO wars are "marketing hype." The current generation of pro SLRs (1DX, D4) might hit the point of diminishing returns, but they're the first.
The D700 at 6400 was a revelation - not just low noise in low-light situations, but I could stop down in mediocre interior light if necessary or use a higher shutter speed to freeze action. Even better at further stops? Awesome.
The D700 at 6400 was a revelation - not just low noise in low-light situations, but I could stop down in mediocre interior light if necessary or use a higher shutter speed to freeze action. Even better at further stops? Awesome.
newsgrunt
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Most professionals I know (photojournalists and newspaper photographers) are chuffed with this camera. We're not wowed by big flashy upgrades but practical things that will make life easier.
Ergonomics ? Huge thing when the camera is in your hands for hours on end in all manner of weather.
Dual card slot ? Glad they kept it but curious about the new card format. Was hoping for dual SD.
Sensor size ? Happy with that and the race for bigger is pretty well done. Iso is great but DR needs to be worked on.
Biggest thing for me ? The WT-5 transmitter. If one can tether the D4 via wifi to an iPad or iPhone and ftp images directly sans laptop...wow. Not to mention being able, if they get the software done, to upload up to 10 IPTC profiles. Most owners will have no need for this but those filing daily and on deadline will LOVE this feature, if it works as expected. Huge deal. Huge.
I fully expect more wire shooters to switch to Nikon in spite of Canon's offering and Nikon is being very aggressive courting them.
Pending another announcement (D800 and the specs), I'll be getting a couple of D4's when the first shipment makes landfall.
My guess is that there's a warehouse stacked to the roof with these cameras. It is an Olympic year after all 😉
Ergonomics ? Huge thing when the camera is in your hands for hours on end in all manner of weather.
Dual card slot ? Glad they kept it but curious about the new card format. Was hoping for dual SD.
Sensor size ? Happy with that and the race for bigger is pretty well done. Iso is great but DR needs to be worked on.
Biggest thing for me ? The WT-5 transmitter. If one can tether the D4 via wifi to an iPad or iPhone and ftp images directly sans laptop...wow. Not to mention being able, if they get the software done, to upload up to 10 IPTC profiles. Most owners will have no need for this but those filing daily and on deadline will LOVE this feature, if it works as expected. Huge deal. Huge.
I fully expect more wire shooters to switch to Nikon in spite of Canon's offering and Nikon is being very aggressive courting them.
Pending another announcement (D800 and the specs), I'll be getting a couple of D4's when the first shipment makes landfall.
My guess is that there's a warehouse stacked to the roof with these cameras. It is an Olympic year after all 😉
literiter
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As a photojournalist or newspaper photographer; If you could have your camera a la carte, how would you have it?
newsgrunt
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In no particular order...
-D700 sized
-audio record for notes
-15 MP, give or take
-Dual card slots (prefer SD)
-Video is good to have but I don't use it much
-Built in wifi for ftping would be most desired feature
-Articulated lcd screen for low angles or hail mary's
-Vertical shutter button
-option for AA battery clip (a la D200)
-Also very important, a coarser focus screen, hard to focus with super bright, fine surfaced screens. More bite and texture makes for easier manual focusing imo
-More spread in focus points (right to edge of frame) but understand this may be a hard thing to do.
Most of these things were expressed to Nikon engineers last year as "would love to sees". How many stick is up to them and others who may have had sit down time as well.
To be honest, the D800 rumour specs don't thrill me very much.
ymmv
-D700 sized
-audio record for notes
-15 MP, give or take
-Dual card slots (prefer SD)
-Video is good to have but I don't use it much
-Built in wifi for ftping would be most desired feature
-Articulated lcd screen for low angles or hail mary's
-Vertical shutter button
-option for AA battery clip (a la D200)
-Also very important, a coarser focus screen, hard to focus with super bright, fine surfaced screens. More bite and texture makes for easier manual focusing imo
-More spread in focus points (right to edge of frame) but understand this may be a hard thing to do.
Most of these things were expressed to Nikon engineers last year as "would love to sees". How many stick is up to them and others who may have had sit down time as well.
To be honest, the D800 rumour specs don't thrill me very much.
ymmv
