Nikon Df : sharing a message from Rachael Katz

I'd really like to know what are the actual differences between the F6 screens and the factory Df one, besides the location of the tab.

There is an older discussion on DPReview about the F6 screen in the D3 and they are identical. Now we just need to find out if there is a centering/locator tab on the Df screen as there are on the D1/2/3/4/700/800, F6.

What screen you use is almost no matter though. The focusing plane for the screen is fixed and sits extremely close to the bottom side of the prism. As long as the screen physically fits in the carrier and isn't too thick, it will work.

I stuck a microprism spot screen from a Minolta SRT101 (which does NOT have user-interchangeable screens) and it worked fine. It has a much coarser grit than even the Canon Ec-B screen which I'm running now and if I were using nothing but f/2 and faster lenses, I'd go with something like that but I have that 28mm f/2.8 AiS as well as the 300mm f/4.5 ED AiS so I need it just a bit brighter but with a coarse enough grit that I can still get close to perfect focus anywhere in the field.

I'm hoping one day to find an F3 or F4 "D" screen that I won't mind cannibalizing for the groundglass to stick in a D3 or Df or whatever I happen to be hacking on.

Phil Forrest
 
There is an older discussion on DPReview about the F6 screen in the D3 and they are identical. Now we just need to find out if there is a centering/locator tab on the Df screen as there are on the D1/2/3/4/700/800, F6.
And so, what if there is a tab located somewhere else than on an original F6 screen ? Filing the F6 screen tab down and installing the screen without that tab in the Df ?
 
Their F6-A, F6-J and F6-L are made using some Nikon F6 screens - not surprising. Yet they cost twice he original F6 screens prices... :eek
As well as reasonable profit, they of course need to recover their business overheads - which will be high as they will be distributed over a small number of manufactured units, and I wouldn't be surprised if each screen is machined by hand and thus labour costs are high.
 
And so, what if there is a tab located somewhere else than on an original F6 screen ? Filing the F6 screen tab down and installing the screen without that tab in the Df ?

The tab is not necessary at all. It provides a reference point so the user does not install the screen upside-down as well as provides a convenient thing for their clamp-tool to grab on to when removing/replacing the screen so one doesn't have to use fingers. On ALL Nikon digital bodies so far that have some capacity to have the screen changed, the tab is located to the right, about 1/2 way between the center of the screen and the edge (when looking at the front of the camera.) This is not to say the tabs aren't different size or located in different places.

All that said, the tab is of no consequence. It's a red herring when what really needs to be done is a screen needs to be carefully placed with proper gloves or finger cots and checked to make sure the focusing aid is centered. If the Df has the provision to turn off the illuminated AF sensors then it can be customized to work much like a manual focus camera (as I've done to my D3) without all the bright lights blinking about the field of view.

Phil Forrest
 
Thanks, this is what I was thinking. Yet - having to downsize an F6 screen in case the Df one isn't of the same size wouldn't be as easy as just filing the F6 screen tab off, though.

If I was certain that, the tab matter aside, the F6 screens had the exact same size as the factory Df one... 😉
 
Thanks, this is what I was thinking. Yet - having to downsize an F6 screen in case the Df one isn't of the same size wouldn't be as easy as just filing the F6 screen tab off, though.

If I was certain that, the tab matter aside, the F6 screens had the exact same size as the factory Df one... 😉

From Nikon's page about the Df:
Magnification: Approx. 0.7x (50 mm f/1.4 lens at infinity, -1.0 m-1)

And the same data applies to the F6:
Magnification: Approx. 0.74x with 50 mm f/1.4 lens at infinity, -1.0 m-1
This is taken from the F6 Wiki article as Nikon has eliminated this data from their F6 page.

Since both are 36x24mm finders of 100% coverage with .7x magnification, it stands to reason that the screens will be almost identical in size with regard to X, Y and thickness dimensions.

Going back to the FocusingScreen.com link above it's funny to note that they are using Canon Ec series screens as well as Nikon F6 screens. If they are doing it by cutting the little edges off the EC screens and either filing the tabs or removing them completely, then I'd say you're good to go. Get the camera, get the replacement screen and you're off to the races.

Phil Forrest
 
Get the camera, get the replacement screen and you're off to the races.
Now that it becomes clear that an original F6 [A,K,L] screen could be easily installed in a Df without having to buy it from a third party screens company, the question is : how does it affect the exposure meter in either matrix or weight-centered mode ? (I assume that it won't work with spot metering already, given what happened with the Katzeye screen in the D700).

So - you install an F6 screen in the Df, good. It's an $40 and not so difficult DIY job. But what if the camera totally fails to meter properly onwards ?

Plus, by doing so you void the warranty (side problem, sure).

It seems that Nikon did it on purpose so that you cannot really use another focusing screen in the camera, like they did it on the D800/600/610... 😡
 
how does it affect the exposure meter in either matrix or weight-centered mode ? (I assume that it won't work with spot metering already, given what happened with the Katzeye screen in the D700).
Just to confirm (with my D800E): centre-weighted is unchanged, spot metering is a bit random (both underexposes and overexposes depending on the aperture if you use the central spot!) and matrix is a bit off (I can never tell what it's doing anyway - all I know is that with the manual-focus screen, it's more off the wall than usual!).

If you're any kind of photographer, you shouldn't be using matrix anyway!😀 Spot you can work around by using a non-central spot; and I leave my camera in centre-weighted mode (which is what I prefer anyway, since it's entirely predictable unlike matrix metering).

I expect this to be the case for the Df, as this behaviour is typical for previous cameras with central focusing aids - regardless of camera make.

Focus will not be affected provided the shimming is correct.
 
If you're any kind of photographer, you shouldn't be using matrix anyway!😀 Spot you can work around by focus/recompose; and I leave my camera in centre-weighted mode (which is what I prefer anyway, since it's entirely predictable unlike matrix metering).
I totally agree ! 😀

I never used any other mode than center-weighted on all TTL-metering camera which I used, period.

So if it works in center-weighted, pretty good.

Yet the Df (at least those from the 1st producton run) seems to suffer from some mirror misalignment, hence focusing errors which no split-image screen can of course correct... 🙄

With a perfectly aligned mirror, an F6 'A' screen and the DK-17M lupe (which makes that nasty "tunnel-like" viewfinder perception go away), this should be a pretty good MF workhorse.

Time - and users reports - will tell.
 
Just thought I'd post my experience of focusingscreen.com.

I have a Nikon D800E, not a Nikon Df - but I mostly use manual lenses, so was interested in fitting a microprism screen. Focusing manual lenses using the default ground glass screen is usually easy, but with certain subjects (lacking detail, low contrast, etc.) are problematic. I don't like the green dot, which I generally ignore - it has "slop" resulting in focusing errors, and I prefer to look at the view not an LED to the side!

So, the aftermarket screen...

I ordered an Ec-A - which is a modified Canon screen.

The company communicated well, and the kit arrived after a few weeks with everything extremely well packaged.

It was a doddle to install - 5 minutes, if that, and focus is perfect: I can focus my 55mm Micro-Nikkor to the millimetre! The ground glass background seems as bright as the standard one, and is slightly easier to focus. The microprism spot works as expected - slightly annoying having the D800 central focus rectangle slap in the middle of it, but not that big a deal.

Installation instructions are on the focusingscreen.com website, and you can also Google for other people who've installed a focusing screen. I think the Nikon Df screen is retained like the Nikon D800.

The kit contains nearly everything you need. I'd add a clean microfibre lens cloth and a rocket blower (NOT canned air!).

A quick overview of installation - which is easy for anyone not completely ham fisted:
  1. Test your camera on a close object to ensure its standard focusing screen focuses accurately! Being a new and expensive camera, it should do - no point changing the screen if your camera misfocuses!
  2. Get everything ready on a clean, dust-free table (hoover it!). You don't need to decontaminate the room - avoiding dust in the viewfinder is not problem!
  3. Invert the camera so you can see the focusing screen in the lens throat.
  4. You'll see a strip of foam in front of the screen - the mirror cushion. Behind this foam you'll see a rectangular wire retaining clip that runs around the edges of the screen.
  5. Use your thumbnail to hook it upwards from behind the foam. This should be quick and easy - if you need force, or if you can't release it, you're doing it wrong. (The kit comes with a special tool to release the clip - but it's a bit unwieldy, and could scratch your screen. Your thumbnail is a better tool - easier, and less likely to scratch anything.)
  6. Rotate the camera gently away from you. The screen and the shims below it are loose, and will tip upwards. Use the supplied tweezers to lift out the screen by the little locating tab on its front edge. (You can't put things back in the wrong order, so don't worry about the shims falling out! If they do, just pop them back in. Note: the locating tab should be nearer the left side of the camera (with the camera held upside down) - it can only go back in that orientation, as the tab fits in a cut-out.)
  7. Use the rocket blower to ensure the camera lens throat is dust free - look through the eyepiece at a white wall or the sky to check for dust. Hold the new viewfinder by its edges and give it a few good puffs with the blower, and inspect for dust. If everything seems dust free, pop the screen into the camera, holding the tab with the tweezers. If you've forgotten how everything goes back together, the screen sits atop the shims (my Nikon D800 has two: a silver one, with a gold one above it - viewed with the camera upside down); the top of the screen has grooves along the left/right sides were the retaining clip locates, while the bottom of the screen has the matt surface. Like the shims, the tab on the screen locates in a cut-out, so it's impossible to fit upside down!
  8. Once the shims and screen have been popped in, and are seated correctly, use the special tool to push the retaining clip into place (easier than using your thumbnail when replacing the clip!). It clips behind a post behind the mirror cushion foam, and requires no force or fiddling - if it won't clip home, something's not right.
  9. Check for dust in the viewfinder. If dusty, disassemble and clean. repeat until dust free. My second attempt was dust free.
  10. Check focus accuracy. Mine was spot on using the standard shims. However, extra shims are provided in case the camera screen front or back focuses. If the focus is off, use various combinations of shims until the focus is perfect.
If you don't like the new screen, simply refit your old one.

The downside (apart from additional screen clutter from the microprism spot) is that matrix metering is reportedly buggered. I say "reportedly" because I've not checked: like any photographer worth their salt, I use centre-weighted average, which remains predictable and accurate. Spot metering using the centre point will also be off. This isn't new: Canon warns about these two metering issues in its official info accompanying its interchangeable screens (for some of their early pro dSLRs).

This shows that you can have a traditional focusing in a modern dSLR - but Nikon don't want you to! Presumably because they either don't want the hassle or are concerned about potential complaints regarding incorrect metering. (I wonder why Canon used to supply alternative screens for their pro dSLRs but no longer do so...)
 
ive asked this question without reply in several DF threads: is it true that in manual focusing legacy glass on the DF that the AF confirm green light comes on when image is in focus?

i hope a DF owner can answer this; my old 5d worked this way and i never had a problem manual focusing.
tony

All nikon dslr work that way. You may have to pretend it is an AF lens and fine tune the focus.

What is of greater concern is the screen properly positioned so manual focus works based on screen image sharpness. They are adjustible with shims or there is a hex adjustment screw on some models. I have not been able to see if Df has the screw which is in the better pro models..
 
I have Katzeye Split-prism screens on both my D7000 and D5100 and they both work perfectly with the only adjustment made was the mirror hex screw. I used an 85mm f/1.8 wide open to align the focus to match the LV and the split-prism. The D7000 required quite a bit of turning while the D5100 did not.

I use the D7000 with a 300mm f/2.8 and a 400mm f/2.8 and they are both tack sharp using either the split-prism or the groundglass.

I am getting a D3s and just ordered the Canon S screen from focusingscreen.com so I am hoping the adjustment will be as easy since there is no split-prism to use as a reference. Fingers crossed.
 
Just thought I'd post my experience of focusingscreen.com [...]

The downside (apart from additional screen clutter from the microprism spot) is that matrix metering is reportedly buggered. I say "reportedly" because I've not checked: like any photographer worth their salt, I use centre-weighted average, which remains predictable and accurate. Spot metering using the centre point will also be off. This isn't new: Canon warns about these two metering issues in its official info accompanying its interchangeable screens (for some of their early pro dSLRs).

Addendum...
Have now tested spot metering with the Ec-A screen - works perfectly!

Haven't checked matrix metering as I don't use it (nor ever want to!).
 
I'm not really sure that I understand why they would give users the ability to put pre-AI Nikkors on this camera and then not give the option to swap a decent manual-focus screen into the camera. It seems absurd...

It is totally absurd...

I told them in that survey they did some time ago that not including a proper MF focusing screen would be like Leica substituting a real RF patch with a LED focus confirmation, completely obliterating the nuance of *manual* focusing.

What a missed opportunity...
 
I purchased a micro prism screen for the Df from focusing screens.com and have been generally pleased with it. It required quite a bit of adjusting with shims but works quite well. I also added a Nikon 1.2x magnifier which helps even more.

What I've found with the screen, it's a bit darker than the stock screen but that was to be expected and hasn't been a problem. Even with the 1.2x eyepiece there's still a bit of error possible but it's minor. The micro prism in the center doesn't fracture all at once. the lens focusing ring can move a touch and still not cause the micro prism to fracture. I find under critical shooting I still check focus with the green dot but find I'm generally spot on. It's a matter of getting used to it I suppose.

I've not noticed any problems with exposure in any mode although I generally use center weighted.

I'm using all manual focus primes with the exception of my 300 f4 G and 75 1.4 D. I use them both in manual and Af with no issues. The only lens I've had a problem with is my 20mm f3.5 (52mm) version. It's a bit dark and the depth of focus is great to begin with which leads to focus uncertainty. In the case of the 20mm I use the green dot to confirm focus. My 28 2.8, 35 f2, 50 1.2, 85 1.4, 105 2.5, 135 3.5, 200 f4 and 300 f4 are all easy to focus manually with the micro prism or ground glass.

Would I recommend this screen, yes but it may not be for everyone. Eyesight is a big factor I feel. I wear contacts and have excellent vision with them and have no problems but others may not have the same results.
 
I purchased a micro prism screen for the Df from focusing screens.com and have been generally pleased with it. It required quite a bit of adjusting with shims but works quite well. I also added a Nikon 1.2x magnifier which helps even more.

But without an actual split prism, you still can't focus accurately at anything wider than f/2
 
Sounds like Nikon has their heads up their a$$.
Can a high contrast screen be purchased for their pro bodies?
I'm using a 5Dii with the high contrast screen and focus my adapted Manual Nikkors just fine 😉
 
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