Godfrey
somewhat colored
The American idiom "that's a no brainer" does not mean "I have no brain". It means "that is such an obvious thing it doesn't take much thinking about it to arrive at the right conclusion".
Perhaps the expression means something different in British English. You know, two nations sundered by a common language ...
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Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Godfrey,
Well, quite. The entire point is that simple conclusions don't take much thinking. On the other hand, even the tiniest amount of thinking might reveal that actually anyone with a brain, who bothered to use that brain for a few seconds, might realize that there are lots of good reasons why someone else might come to a different conclusion.
What I object to is the assumption that anyone who reaches a different conclusion is even more stupid than the one who comes to their "no brainer" conclusion.
Cheers,
R.
Highway 61
Revisited
I guess that you've been living in France for a very long time now. So you more than probably know the substantially meaningless slang telling "Il n'y a pas photo". And you perfectly know that it's the perfect equal to the "That's a no-brainer" you don't seem to like that much.
There are too many ways, and too many words, to try to convince normal people (having no brain) that someone else thinks they're stupid indeed. Yet, "melted ashtray", "partially formed turd" or "tub of lard" might come to mind on occasion.
Ok, so some of us like one shape and some like another shape. That's a personal thing.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Roger,
I saw nothing disparaging or negative about Highway 61's use of "no brainer" ... that was simply his opinion, enthusiastically stated.
And indeed, the use of descriptions with negative connotations as you have used is far more aggressively trying to tell someone else that their opinion is of little value, is stupid, etc. No one runs up in a moment of excitement to exclaim, "I love the new Canikopen 2005XGh22! Its partially-formed-turd shape fits my hands so well!" ... unless they're being sarcastic. Whereas someone in their excitement might happily say, "I didn't think I was going to like the Leipanonica O typic 122y at all, but as soon as I picked it up, buying it was a no-brainer!" and no one can mistake that they are saying that the camera convinced them almost instantly of its good qualities.
Agreed. I loved shooting with my F3/T, liked its size, shape and control layout; but, upon handling the Df styled to resemble it, the Df doesn't appeal to me at all. I didn't think I was going to like the F6, but the moment I started shooting with it, it appealed to me. That the D750 is quite similar in size, shape and control layout to the F6 is one of the things that attracts me to it. That the D750 is a bit lighter is another plus because I do find the F6 a bit heavy.
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The great thing is that you cannot go wrong with any of the bodies mentioned when it comes to results.
willie_901
Veteran
Besides the option to us simple controls, the excellent signal-to-noise ratio of its data stream, the Df is also surprisingly light.
This weight advantage is often offset by some of the larger, heavier lenses people typically use with DSLRs. But there are lighter F-mount lenses worth using.
This weight advantage is often offset by some of the larger, heavier lenses people typically use with DSLRs. But there are lighter F-mount lenses worth using.
I agree. The Df, with it's front mounted lugs, tends to balance better with medium sized primes (though too small doesn't balance right). I had to buy a 50mm 1.8d and 28mm 2.8 AF for the DF... cheap and small (but the balance with a neck strap is a little off).
Mudman
Well-known
JS, have you ever used it with the 70-200 or 80-200? I think I'm going to ask NPS if they can send me a Df or D810 to play around with. Thanks for all the thoughts so far folks. It's good to hear from people that have real world experience with the cameras.
Ronald M
Veteran
You know the pros & cons.
If I were you, I would get the 800 and use the old camera for sports.
Owning a bunch of old unchiped lenses means the DF if you change lenses often and in a hurry.
Double the pixels means 30% bigger prints LINEARLY, Important to you?
The 800 is a bit bigger, but todays lenses are bigger and heavier and a few oz of body weight makes no difference.
I find all the film non pro Nikon bodies lacking design aesthetics except for my Nikormat. DF is the same with the big oversized pentaprism for the body and a hot shoe that will not come off. GAG.
It comes down to do you like the appearance and the dial controls.
If I were you, I would get the 800 and use the old camera for sports.
Owning a bunch of old unchiped lenses means the DF if you change lenses often and in a hurry.
Double the pixels means 30% bigger prints LINEARLY, Important to you?
The 800 is a bit bigger, but todays lenses are bigger and heavier and a few oz of body weight makes no difference.
I find all the film non pro Nikon bodies lacking design aesthetics except for my Nikormat. DF is the same with the big oversized pentaprism for the body and a hot shoe that will not come off. GAG.
It comes down to do you like the appearance and the dial controls.
giganova
Well-known
I completely agree.
Fraser
Well-known
Maybe it's just me and don't get me wrong if I didn't have too many dslrs already I would probably buy a Df but what is the benefit of the df when shooting manual focus lenses compared to a d800 or 700 except for ai part that flips out the way?
No, I haven't. I don't use zooms generally. I use a cheap 80-200mm f4-5.6d lens for the few telephoto shots I need a year. It's plastic, small, and super light... and actually not horrible. It balances right on the Df too. I would think if you are going to use large zooms, the Df might not be the best option.
No real advantage... just a preference in body styles for the most part.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
that was my impression too. All my preAI lenses have been AIed now anyway.
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shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
This thread just make me want a Df even more.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Will, what are you currently using? I haven't felt as good about a camera (as I have about the Df) since the I first used the X-Pro1. My fellow, local RFF buddies are sick of hearing me call it the best camera ever made... they just roll their eyes (as they probably should).
I'm placing my order for a D750 this week...
Smart move if the DF isn't for you. It seems to be the best cross between price, functionality, and size.
awbphotog
Well-known
Just as a note - I use the DF with an 80-200 quite often. It looks terrible on the camera and the balance is pretty awful, but the files are still great. I definitely prefer these lenses on the D4 simply because of the balance, but that doesn't stop me from slapping a tele on the DF mid-shoot if that's what I'm already using. Having two helps with this regard...though I must admit I always reach for the black DF before the silver (because of how sleek it looks).