maddoc
... likes film again.
... I just loaded a Nikon film canister into my S2 and the canister doesn`t seem to open properly in the camera when locking the camera back with the "key". Turning the key forces the rewind knob to rotate and the film advance is very stiff as if the canister did not open and the film is pulled from the closed canister. The film canister is imprinted "Nikon". I wonder if there are incompatibilities ?
Highway 61
Revisited
Don't know about those pesky reloadable cartridges but there is a saying : "Why keeping it simple while you can do it complicated ?"
dufffader
Leicanaut/Nikonaut...
I've got a couple of those S/F canisters, and I don't think you have the F2 version since that one has AM-1 & F2 clearly written on it.
I'm not aware of any incompatibilities in the older version of the cassette, and I've amassed a few from different sources.
However I do have one stubborn canister that has much more "traction" when I advance the film. And I know that it was because the felt at the bottom of the canister that provides contact between the cylinder and the spool has dried up. I removed the dried felt and it was a little better but still far from smooth. But it works, so I let it be.
Perhaps it might help you in your troubleshooting.
I'm not aware of any incompatibilities in the older version of the cassette, and I've amassed a few from different sources.
However I do have one stubborn canister that has much more "traction" when I advance the film. And I know that it was because the felt at the bottom of the canister that provides contact between the cylinder and the spool has dried up. I removed the dried felt and it was a little better but still far from smooth. But it works, so I let it be.
Perhaps it might help you in your troubleshooting.
enasniearth
Well-known
Cassette
Cassette
There is a little ear on the bottom of the cassette that has to be in a notch in the camera body , sounds like it is not in the notch or missing .
The rewind knob should not turn when opening the cassette . Since it is difficult to advance cassette is not open . Button on bottom needs to push up to open cassette . There is a safety latch for the button that lifts when button is depressed , it has a flat metal tab that sits in a notch own the cassette rim . I think the ones for the f2 will not fit , they are marked differently . Rf and f cassettes are interchangeable .
Perhaps the cassette you have is damaged , or the back locking mechanism has been disassembled and not put back properly . Try a different cassette .
Cassette
There is a little ear on the bottom of the cassette that has to be in a notch in the camera body , sounds like it is not in the notch or missing .
The rewind knob should not turn when opening the cassette . Since it is difficult to advance cassette is not open . Button on bottom needs to push up to open cassette . There is a safety latch for the button that lifts when button is depressed , it has a flat metal tab that sits in a notch own the cassette rim . I think the ones for the f2 will not fit , they are marked differently . Rf and f cassettes are interchangeable .
Perhaps the cassette you have is damaged , or the back locking mechanism has been disassembled and not put back properly . Try a different cassette .
maddoc
... likes film again.
Oha ... thanks for the many comments and tips ! I gave up on the film, removed the canister and tested it without film on the spool. After closing the camera, same thing. So it wasn`t the film that got stuck between inner and outer cylinder but the canister itself (the spool inside) causes the problem. A standard canister works just fine so no problem with the camera.
Sure, these canister complicate things but I like bulk-loading and the standard plastic container or snap-caps soon get dust into the felt-trap ... (or even worse, light leaks)
Jon .... I hear you ...
I gave up on the film, removed the canister and tested it without film on the spool. After closing the camera, same thing. So it wasn`t the film that got stuck between inner and outer cylinder but the canister itself (the spool inside) causes the problem. A standard canister works just fine so no problem with the camera.Sure, these canister complicate things but I like bulk-loading and the standard plastic container or snap-caps soon get dust into the felt-trap ... (or even worse, light leaks)
Jon .... I hear you ...
enasniearth
Well-known
Cassette
Cassette
The Kodak type reloadable felt trapped cassette is only good for so many loads .
Nikon type .
Early glossy smooth black surface rf type .asa to 200,
Mid / transition Smooth to mild crinkle paint. Asa to 200 to 400
Red and black numbers . Rf early f
Later smooth crinkle To coarse crinkle paint Asa to 400 or 800 or 1600
Black numbers only. Later rf / f type .
Just observations - all these work in Nikon rangefinder .
All imprinted Nikon early ones on the shell , later on the bottom .
They are a quality item , felt seals do wear out with time .
Cassette
The Kodak type reloadable felt trapped cassette is only good for so many loads .
Nikon type .
Early glossy smooth black surface rf type .asa to 200,
Mid / transition Smooth to mild crinkle paint. Asa to 200 to 400
Red and black numbers . Rf early f
Later smooth crinkle To coarse crinkle paint Asa to 400 or 800 or 1600
Black numbers only. Later rf / f type .
Just observations - all these work in Nikon rangefinder .
All imprinted Nikon early ones on the shell , later on the bottom .
They are a quality item , felt seals do wear out with time .
Erik van Straten
Veteran
I have two earlier brass Nikon RF reloadable cassettes:
1. Dark brown (chemically blackened like Leica-cassettes) with white engraved Nikon logo on the shell, without film speed reminder and with simple spool (slip in and fold back).
2. Almost identical as above, but with many small differences and with film speed reminder up to 200 in black and red numerals and with advanced spool (fixes film "automatically").
Erik.
1. Dark brown (chemically blackened like Leica-cassettes) with white engraved Nikon logo on the shell, without film speed reminder and with simple spool (slip in and fold back).
2. Almost identical as above, but with many small differences and with film speed reminder up to 200 in black and red numerals and with advanced spool (fixes film "automatically").
Erik.
maddoc
... likes film again.
This is quite some list ! I will later have a look at my Nikon canister and try to figure out what type(s) I have ...
Vincent.G
Well-known
I have a question: Can Nikon RF cameras accept Nikon reloadable cassettes for Nikon F and F2?
maddoc
... likes film again.
I use the same canister for my F and S2, don`t know about F2 though ...
enasniearth
Well-known
Film cartridge
Film cartridge
The ones from the f will fit .
The later f2 ones will not , they are a little different .
Film cartridge
The ones from the f will fit .
The later f2 ones will not , they are a little different .
Vincent.G
Well-known
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
Some of the early all brass Nikon cassettes can give problems with S2 and later Nikon Rf's. I think there was a small series of cassettes that was meant for the Nikon S and those tend to be difficult with later cameras. I have about 70+ Nikon Rf cassettes (enough to load 400 ft of film) and most work fine, but the interlock system (the small flat spring) can jam and prevent the cassette from opening fully. You have to check that the two "dots" on the bottom are aligned (they tend to shift when you pull the leader) - otherwise you can have the problem with the cassette not opening - even though the lock can be closed.
The Nikon cassette is easier to load, but more fragile than the Leica IXMOO. The shells are thinner and the flat spring "lock" gets tired. The disc that holds the flatspring in place on the top of the cassette is rather crudely "push" fitted and can shift/bend easily and the the lock spring doesn't engage properly.
The Nikon cassette is easier to load, but more fragile than the Leica IXMOO. The shells are thinner and the flat spring "lock" gets tired. The disc that holds the flatspring in place on the top of the cassette is rather crudely "push" fitted and can shift/bend easily and the the lock spring doesn't engage properly.