sepiareverb
genius and moron
With all the Adobe BS Monthly payments is your firmware next??
Nikon Firmware to become "Lease-Only"?
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JRG
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"The camera must be plugged into an internet connected computer once every thirty days for firmware OK. Once payment has been verified the camera will continue to operate for 30 days. "
Quote from where, please?
Quote from where, please?
sepiareverb
genius and moron
From my own imagination. This lease-based software could go anywhere.
JRG
Well-known
Whew! 🙂
I agree: Could be catching on. I was afraid you'd already found that quote on some rumors site ...
colyn
ישו משיח
Fear mongering....
Clint Troy
Well-known
And if they don't like the user's face (or if they're pirating their camera), they make the camera explode in his face 🙂
daveleo
what?
I'd go back to film !!
Godfrey
somewhat colored
folks,
the software in your computers, cameras, cell phones, televisions, stereo systems, cars, etc has *always* been lease only. you've never owned it.
read your product end-user-license-agreements some time.
same for the music and video content in your books, CDs, DVDs, and MP3 players. you only lease it, you don't own it.
when I sell a photograph to someone, i hand them a print, and i'm licensing the image content for their specific use, but I'm not giving away my ownership of the photograph. unless they want to buy exclusive distribution and derivative rights to the image, it's always my photo. if they want to use it for something other than the intended purpose of the original sale, they have to obtain permission and pay my fees.
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the software in your computers, cameras, cell phones, televisions, stereo systems, cars, etc has *always* been lease only. you've never owned it.
read your product end-user-license-agreements some time.
same for the music and video content in your books, CDs, DVDs, and MP3 players. you only lease it, you don't own it.
when I sell a photograph to someone, i hand them a print, and i'm licensing the image content for their specific use, but I'm not giving away my ownership of the photograph. unless they want to buy exclusive distribution and derivative rights to the image, it's always my photo. if they want to use it for something other than the intended purpose of the original sale, they have to obtain permission and pay my fees.
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3rdtrick
Well-known
Now we know why they are putting WiFi in our cameras...
If you do not pay, do all your old pictures disappear???
If you do not pay, do all your old pictures disappear???
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Technically correct, but...
When I purchase a DVD or an MP3 or a camera I own that content (or firmware) as much as I own any other object for all intents and purposes. Just as I can own a book, or an LP or a car. Mine to do with what I see fit, no need to check in with the creator to continue to use it. I have LPs that I purchsed in the 70's that work fine, music CDs that I purchased in the 80's that work fine, DVD's from the 00's, MP3s and other music files from the 10's - these all continue to work for me without needing to verify that I've paid. No, I haven't leased these from the outset, but can any of us imagine having to lease our music or cameras??
By tying software to a lease-type structure we are losing something tangible (as tangible as software can be) and this model will only continue to spread. Once one camera manufacturer decides this is the way it will take over image-making. Should Nikon or Canon decide that some old sensor is no longer good enough or needs to be replaced permanently *poof* it can vanish. This Adobe Creative Cloud is a very slippery slope. Not one I have any answers for, but a slippery slope nonetheless. This changes everything as we've known it. For the pirates out there obviously, but for the purchasers out there equally.
This is starting to seem like renting paint to painters...
3rdtrick
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I agree 100% Sepia!
I hope Adobe does not get the bright idea that they can take away activation of software that we have already purchased...
Pete
I hope Adobe does not get the bright idea that they can take away activation of software that we have already purchased...
Pete
Bob Michaels
nobody special
Do you all have black helicopters circling over your houses?
Aristophanes
Well-known
Godfrey
somewhat colored
If you have ever downloaded a song or video from any legitimate source, you HAVE leased it explicitly, without hard media. Just like software: the content is independent of the media.
What you own in the above examples you quoted are the media onto which the content is embedded. You can play the contents, copy the contents for your personal use and backup, and you can loan or give the media and contents to other people. You can destroy it at will. You have no right whatever to create derivative works for sale from it, or spawn a business distributing copies of it, not without further permissions grants from the owners.
Software is not tangible goods, according to current legal and accounting practices. A sensor is tangible goods ... it's just a device ... there are no license rights associated with that. The firmware in the camera is leased to you as a fixed part of the purchase of the camera ... you don't own it, nor it is useful in any other context, and it cannot be transferred or used outside of that context. You can only give it to someone else to use by handing them the camera, and it would be difficult to create derivative works from it. This is rather different from computer applications which can be transported easily to different computers and used by multiple persons.
Paint is like the sensor above. It has no intellectual property associated, no copyright or added value. It's another tangible good.
Of course, tangible goods can be leased. An apartment is a tangible good that you can lease and pay rent on. If you don't pay your rent, the owner of the apartment can kick you out. It's hard to lease consumables like paint, however.
I've read so many completely ridiculous mis-truths, inaccurate statements, and erroneous conjectures about this Creative Cloud business now, on so many different forums, it's just astonishing. And there are so many alternatives to Photoshop which are better suited to the averae photographers' uses, I just cannot understand why the amateur photographer community is so up in arms about it. Photography is *less* than 6% of the Photoshop market share. It's a graphic designer's tool.
I mean, in the last analysis, if you really really don't value Photoshop CC to the tune of $20 a month, why get so up in arms about it? Choose some other pixel editor. AND ... If you're the person who buys a copy of Photoshop and uses it for five or six years before upgrading to the next version (and then ONLY because you spent $3000 on a new camera or a new computer that your old copy was no longer compatible with), you're not the ones paying Adobe's bills—why on earth should they care about you anyway?
It's an old story. People in the camera equipment community will lust for and spend thousands of dollars on a body or a lens, lens after lens, body after body. But they get up in arms when asked to spend a buck on the software necessary to take advantage of it.
$20 a month for Photoshop, were I using it, would be one of the least of my expenses when it comes to doing photography.
G
Clint Troy
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You have to understand that for some people, the last 20$ before the next paycheck goes to buying some food or toilet paper. Geez, even toilet paper is expensive these days. And that's just insane.
You are maybe a happy paying person. But not me.
But I'm like the majority: I'm sick and tired of having to pay non-stop. Creative scams, that's what these companies are doing these days. They're putting more energy on how to scam the consumers then to create products.
Planned obsolescence comes to mind. A toaster breaking after exactly 253 toasts. A printer emptying a full set of ink cartridges (100$) when it feels like it just to clean up its nozzles.
Soon we'll have to pay for the air that we breathe. A dollar per puff of good old air. And amazingly there's always someone that'll think that it's a great idea.
R
rpsawin
Guest
Nah...it makes the guys in the unmarked SUV's with the tinted windows a bit nervous.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
In the case of Leica ... if you haven't taken enough black and white street shots, they disable your camera! 😀
FA Limited
missing in action
not that multinationals have feelings but at the same time it's ridiculous you put nikon in your thread title to get thread hits... if you're going to make sh#t up you might as well says leica gives away free porn.
btgc
Veteran
Well, if this has happened to cell phones and to some extent with realty, it's quote possible with other goodies. "Buy it" for a very minimal price like $1 or even receive for free (phone) and pay monthly for right to use. Same can happen to all other appliances. Leased property or car is about same thing - stop paying and you appear on the street or in a bus, not to mention debt jail.
You fancied internet, you wanted digital - you got 'em. And they will get you.
You fancied internet, you wanted digital - you got 'em. And they will get you.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
I doubt those people discuss lenses for their Fujis or Leicas, or care what Adobe charges for Photoshop. Do you mean to imply that you're amongst such unfortunates? Or merely that you empathize with their plight?
Please note that I have Photoshop CS5 but use it so rarely now that I see little point to upgrading to CS6 or CC. I don't use any other components of the Creative Suite either. So I don't think I'm likely to be buying CC anytime soon.
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