RObert Budding
D'oh!
A digital SP with the Z mount wouldn’t appeal to me. It isn’t just the body that matters. I love the compact size and quality of the S-mount lenses. An SP with a massive Z-mount lens on the front sounds awkward.
Pál_K
Cameras. I has it.
Nikon could make a digital version of the 35Ti or even 28Ti, which I suppose would please many. However, I’ve heard so many conflicting rumors that I don’t know what to expect or when.
I guarantee that it’s not a digital SP or 35ti, those would be way too cool for Nikon these days. I think we will see a z camera with a slightly different look. They might release the pancake lenses in conjunction. I think that’s about all the excitement you can expect from Nikon.
Michalm
Well-known
Yep , they are going to play safe . The closest thing to the retro camera i liked outside of Leica realm was Olympus Pen F . I would only change sensor to full frame , take top plate from Fuji , add touch screen with no buttons at the back and make it with Sony E mount as there there are plenty of small retro lenses available ie Loxia Sigma 45 f2.8 etc.
farlymac
PF McFarland
Since I have a decent range of DX lenses, I'm not going to wait much longer for the new compact, and get a Z50 body and FZ adapter. Later on I'd get a Z5 body and some adapters for Leica M.
I don't have much in the way of FX G or E series lenses, and use the D series on a D610, so it's likely I'd get a couple of Z mount zooms for the Z5 and leave it at that.
That's the scenario if I go completely digital. Z50 for everyday use, and Z5 for more specialized work.
PF
I don't have much in the way of FX G or E series lenses, and use the D series on a D610, so it's likely I'd get a couple of Z mount zooms for the Z5 and leave it at that.
That's the scenario if I go completely digital. Z50 for everyday use, and Z5 for more specialized work.
PF
agentlossing
Well-known
But the XE4 doesn't "cram" anything into the body, it's just a soap bar of a body with a bunch of fancy processing/firmware around the updated sensor. "Cramming" suggests using the space well, which it really doesn't. Eye point is too small and EVF optics are cramped, there's no IBIS, and there are fewer controls. That last one I don't mind, but the first two are considerable... and the XE4 isn't even very small. It's bigger in the hand than I thought it would be - much bigger than, say, a GX9.
Corran
Well-known
Nikon should make the lens mount for lenses that they don't even make or sell anymore then? This is why no one will be "happy" with whatever they produce.
Obviously there are two choices here, F or Z mount.
lcpr
Well-known
Doubt it'll be an SP style body.
Most likely, FM3a style body (would love a F2 + DE1 styled one though), EVF, and a Z mount. Announce it alongside the 28/40mm compact prime set. Basically a full frame Fuji XT4.
The Z bodies are already quite small and they're good cameras. Maybe they'll also introduce a RF style body with an offset viewfinder at some point, but Nikon's most famous cameras are SLRs.
Most likely, FM3a style body (would love a F2 + DE1 styled one though), EVF, and a Z mount. Announce it alongside the 28/40mm compact prime set. Basically a full frame Fuji XT4.
The Z bodies are already quite small and they're good cameras. Maybe they'll also introduce a RF style body with an offset viewfinder at some point, but Nikon's most famous cameras are SLRs.
RObert Budding
D'oh!
Reread what I wrote. I stated why a camera modeled after the SP with a Z-mount would not appeal to me. I never advocated a digital SP with an S-mount.
Paul T.
Veteran
Some interesting speculation but.... did the rumour turn out to be totally unfounded?
BillBingham2
Registered User
I've given up on Nikon for now.
The 1 was a fine start, but not grown into what it could be........
The Coolpix trio that never saw the light of day.....
Pancake glass (F2.8 to 4) for a body without the crazy button-palooza, simple dials for shutter speed and ISO, perhaps a roller for aperture control for your right middle finger.
B2 (;-<
JeffS7444
Well-known
Perhaps Nikon feels they need a lower-priced option: Browse a major site like B&H Photo for all mirrorless, sort from lowest price the first 2-1/2 pages are dominated by pretty much everyone else except Nikon.
I think that when the market delivers a retro product that pushes all the right buttons for you, whether it be an Epson RD1, an Olympus Pen-F, or a Nikon Df, sometimes you need to bite the bullet and just pay the hefty premium, because discounts may be scarce, and there may never be a successor model.
Admittedly, I haven't got the faintest idea what Nikon could offer which would get me to switch to Z mount, because I'm pretty happy with what I've got already.
I think that when the market delivers a retro product that pushes all the right buttons for you, whether it be an Epson RD1, an Olympus Pen-F, or a Nikon Df, sometimes you need to bite the bullet and just pay the hefty premium, because discounts may be scarce, and there may never be a successor model.
Admittedly, I haven't got the faintest idea what Nikon could offer which would get me to switch to Z mount, because I'm pretty happy with what I've got already.
robert blu
quiet photographer
Every time a news about a possible new model arrives and is commented in a forum I realize how different we all are, with different desires and needs (when I was still working my boss always encouraged me to distinguish between desires and needs of our customers, but that's another story).
And I wonder what would happen if the management of the manufacturer, in this case Nikon, were to decide based on what they read in our conversations
But as jsrockit well wrote (post #26) we are a niche of enthusiasts and not the mainstream market.
And I think any manufacturer has to deal with an economic reality of numbers, costs, revenues and margins.
With that said and found the discussion interesting I rethought my desires I had expressed as a simplified DF: physical controls for iso, speed, aperture on manual focus lenses (F), LCD to chimp (yes, rarely but sometimes I do it!) in a reasonable small and light body with lightmeter.
Not sure if this means "retro" which is a vague label but it's the only possibility for me to find it interesting!
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) usually I translate myself but today I'm very busy and tired., sorry..
And I wonder what would happen if the management of the manufacturer, in this case Nikon, were to decide based on what they read in our conversations
But as jsrockit well wrote (post #26) we are a niche of enthusiasts and not the mainstream market.
And I think any manufacturer has to deal with an economic reality of numbers, costs, revenues and margins.
With that said and found the discussion interesting I rethought my desires I had expressed as a simplified DF: physical controls for iso, speed, aperture on manual focus lenses (F), LCD to chimp (yes, rarely but sometimes I do it!) in a reasonable small and light body with lightmeter.
Not sure if this means "retro" which is a vague label but it's the only possibility for me to find it interesting!
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) usually I translate myself but today I'm very busy and tired., sorry..
Pál_K
Cameras. I has it.
Wise words! I should’ve bought a Df; it has essentially the same external explicit controls as an F4, which is how I want to operate a camera. Instead, I bought a used D700 with only 17k clicks. I’m happy with it and it has a good reputation, but it’s really not my style of camera. I couldn’t bring myself to buy a Df because Nikon had just gone through the D600 oil-spot issue and new issues were being raised on the D800, so Nikon lost my confidence.
If Nikon were to introduce something like a digital FM3a or FE2 which wasn’t thick as a brick, I’d be impressed.
Corran
Well-known
Okay. So what mount?
olakiril
Well-known
Same here.
Unfortunately Z mount is probably the only reasonable mount for any new camera that Nikon releases from now on, unless is fixed.
If they ever release what they call a "retro-inspired" camera it is most likely going to be paired with the 28 and 40 prime lenses that are coming this year.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/56668...-f2-primes-for-z-mount-coming-later-this-year
Fly-by-wire focus ring, no aperture ring with a size twice as big as a MF version would be, is a hard pass for me. I would rather get an off brand APS-C manual lens such as this one:
https://www.dpreview.com/news/72921...8-manual-lens-for-nikon-z-mount-costs-only-75
Spluff
Saras
Well, the press release from Nikon is out, and there is no retro camera, in fact there are no cameras, just lenses - so as you were I guess!
In the meantime, the wait goes on for a retro styled camera ...
In the meantime, the wait goes on for a retro styled camera ...
kram
Well-known
All modern features but excepts film, I can't wait
agentlossing
Well-known
That's funny, because while the GX9 feels like it manages its space well, I'd have sworn the XE-4 was bigger because it doesn't - it's lighter like all Fuji bodies but not necessarily in a good way, but probably due to the plainness of the body design it "feels" substantially larger in every dimension except the length.