Fraser
Well-known
I've always had Leica Ms but have also had an itch to try a Nikon RF, I have been tempted by a black paint s3 2000. Does the s3 2000 have a built in meter I'm guessing it doesn't ?
Cheers Frase.
Cheers Frase.
filmtwit
Desperate but not serious
No, but you can use one of the Voitlander accessory meters on it.
Fraser
Well-known
Cheers, trying to decide on another film m probably a black paint m4 or a Nikon rf.
rbsinto
Well-known
I use Nikon rangefinders ( two S3s and an SP) and they are all meterless by design.
On the upside they are extremely rugged, mechanically and optically reliable and require very little in the way of maintenance.
Their downside is a weak rangefinder patch (when compared to those of Leicas and Cosina-Voigtlanders) and a limited array of lenses (again compared to what is available through CV for their bodies and Leicas).
Still, once you are used to the patch they are very easy to use, and with only a few lens exceptions a vastly more financially reasonable rangefinder system than Leica.
On the upside they are extremely rugged, mechanically and optically reliable and require very little in the way of maintenance.
Their downside is a weak rangefinder patch (when compared to those of Leicas and Cosina-Voigtlanders) and a limited array of lenses (again compared to what is available through CV for their bodies and Leicas).
Still, once you are used to the patch they are very easy to use, and with only a few lens exceptions a vastly more financially reasonable rangefinder system than Leica.
Larry Cloetta
Veteran
Plus, a black paint nikon rf is one of the most beautiful cameras ever made.
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
Keep in mind that all dials in the Nikon RF camera turn the opposite direction from the Leica camera. If you want to open a lens, you'll be closing it. And then forget about the easy turn of the shutterspeed dial...
Now, I have an S2, and if I use it for long (and I speak from experience; I took it on a trip for five weeks), you kind of forget how to use a Leica.
Why don't you try a Nikon S2 if you're curious? It'd be a smaller investment and you could resell it any time.
Now, I have an S2, and if I use it for long (and I speak from experience; I took it on a trip for five weeks), you kind of forget how to use a Leica.
Why don't you try a Nikon S2 if you're curious? It'd be a smaller investment and you could resell it any time.
James24
Well-known
The only metered film camera for Nikon rangefinder lenses the Voigtlander Bessa R2S. I must admit I have never tried one nor had any desire to on account of their downright ugliness.
https://www.cameraquest.com/voigt_r2s_r2c.htm
A much better solution, imo, as susggested above is a VC II meter on your proposed S3 2002. Here's mine, just to persuade you.
https://www.cameraquest.com/voigt_r2s_r2c.htm
A much better solution, imo, as susggested above is a VC II meter on your proposed S3 2002. Here's mine, just to persuade you.

Fraser
Well-known
Keep in mind that all dials in the Nikon RF camera turn the opposite direction from the Leica camera. If you want to open a lens, you'll be closing it. And then forget about the easy turn of the shutterspeed dial...
Now, I have an S2, and if I use it for long (and I speak from experience; I took it on a trip for five weeks), you kind of forget how to use a Leica.
Why don't you try a Nikon S2 if you're curious? It'd be a smaller investment and you could resell it any time.
I suppose I could try an s2 first, thing about the s3 2000 is its still a quite a new camera would be nice to be the first user of an old manual camera if you know what I mean. It's also quite a good deal considering your getting a 50mm 1.4 with it.
Fraser
Well-known
The only metered film camera for Nikon rangefinder lenses the Voigtlander Bessa R2S. I must admit I have never tried one nor had any desire to on account of their downright ugliness.
https://www.cameraquest.com/voigt_r2s_r2c.htm
A much better solution, imo, as susggested above is a VC II meter on your proposed S3 2002. Here's mine, just to persuade you.
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Very nice
rhl-oregon
Cameras Guitars Wonders
No doubt a black paint modern S3 or similar M4 would prove to be hand candy, but for the same money one could get a good S2 with all the lenses it likes + a Varifocal + a CV hotshoe meter, with money left over for popcorn.
A CVII meter in the accessory shoe is accurate and very handy, but you've gotta admit it makes a pretty camera look, um... rather uggggly 


Personally, I'd prefer to get a handheld meter (I use a Sekonic L-308S) and meter only when needed.
Personally, I'd prefer to get a handheld meter (I use a Sekonic L-308S) and meter only when needed.
Highway 61
Revisited
+1A CVII meter in the accessory shoe is accurate and very handy, but you've gotta admit it makes a pretty camera look, um... rather uggggly
Personally, I'd prefer to get a handheld meter (I use a Sekonic L-308S) and meter only when needed.
And : the CV meter doesn't do incident metering, so a small handheld meter is a better choice.
You can look at either the Gossen Digisix or the Sekonic L-208, both are excellent with different pros and cons, at different prices too.
Fraser
Well-known
the metering is not really a deal breaker as the current leica Ms I have don't have meters. My real problem is I like black paint cameras too much, I wish i didn't but I do!
I could always buy a chrome original sp and repaint it I suppose thats what I did with my M2.
I could always buy a chrome original sp and repaint it I suppose thats what I did with my M2.
filmtwit
Desperate but not serious
S2 vs S3 - I own both, but both have their quirks. For instance the shutter dial on the S2 is clunky to say the least, but it's viewfinder is perfect for 50mm. The S3 is better set for 35mm viewfinder and it's shutter dial is far easier to use.
raid
Dad Photographer
+1
And : the CV meter doesn't do incident metering, so a small handheld meter is a better choice.
You can look at either the Gossen Digisix or the Sekonic L-208, both are excellent with different pros and cons, at different prices too.
I use a meter app in my phone. It costs $4.
Highway 61
Revisited
And how much does the cellphone cost ?I use a meter app in my phone. It costs $4.
CLAdictic
Established
I have a S3 2000. I use a Voightlander meter on it. Ideal combo.
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campagnolo
Member
I also use the S3 2000 with the VCII, but lately I prefer using my Sekonic L858DU. The VCII can be tricky to use in some lighting situations, and I agree with Jon - the camera doesn't look that great with it. My camera all of a sudden looks like something out of Star Wars!
keytarjunkie
no longer addicted
I'll throw my opinion into this old thread. I use my phone or a Sekonic L-358 with my S3 Limited. But a huge advantage of the Nikon RFs is that you can walk around with the camera in one hand and the meter in the other! Once the aperture is set (or you can adjust it while holding the meter pretty easily), the camera can be completely operated in the right hand. So carrying an external meter is much easier than with a Leica, which really requires both hands.
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