nokton AND c-sonnar?

[sebastel]

dear congregation of the finder of the range,

here i stand with a (stupid?) question, and my own wits do not suffice. recently i was out in the night, and having with me both the nokton 35mm f/1.2 and the c-sonnar, i was kind of unsatisfied. the 35 quite nice, but heavy heavy heavy, and the c-sonnar not appropriate - too "dreamy".

i know the noctilux f/1.0, i disliked its weight even more (and sold it).

now i consider the 50mm nokton f/1.1. surprisingly lightweight, and handles nicely. but do i really need it beside the 35mm nokton and the sonnar?

i hope to find some wisdom here.

mind you, i already asked a special oracle, but like oracles are, they are not necessarily clear. well, maybe you can understand it? it's a bit long, but let me attach it below, if you have a minute for reading.

(and please don't take me too seriously)

all the best,
s.


----------------oracle start----------------
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----------------oracle end ----------------

 

[Keith]

Whatever you're on ... I think you should pass it around! 😀

 

[squinza]

You need the Nokton, you can't possibily live with a single 50mm in your collect... ehm lens set!

 

[Cron]

you need it because you never can have enough 50mm lenses ;-)

 

[sebastel]

oh, i do not suffer from lack of 50s.
i only mentioned the c-sonnar, because it seemed to be significant in comparison to the nokton.

the other ones ... planar, summitar uncoated, hex-summitar coated, elmar 3.5, industar-50, prewar sonnar 1.5 (contax) uncoated, postwar CZJ sonnar 2.0 coated, zuiko 1.8 "silvernose" (not for RF, though ...) and some more.

 

[noimmunity]

Between "Cron" and "Hacker", I think the game is rigged, hahaha!

you need it because you never can have enough 50mm lenses ;-)

 

[Cron]

not all are mine, but some are ;-)

 

[shadowfox]

I asked my oracle:

Select brand, focal_length, max_aperture
From the_ultimate_lens_table
Where bokeh = "Creamy"
and barrel_size = "Diminutive"
and closest_focusing <= "70" and closest_focusing_uom = "cm"
and weight = "Light"
and color = "Black" and color_preference_emphasis = "Duh?"
order by price;

 

[domagojs]

😀 made me laugh out loud (smiley was too short...)

I asked my oracle:

Select brand, focal_length, max_aperture
From the_ultimate_lens_table
Where bokeh = "Creamy"
and barrel_size = "Diminutive"
and closest_focusing <= "70" and closest_focusing_uom = "cm"
and weight = "Light"
and color = "Black" and color_preference_emphasis = "Duh?"
order by price;

 

[drewbarb]

This thread is wonderfully weird, and well on it's way to earning a Rimshot Award. As for the serious question hidden in the OP's delightful weirdness, I can only add this- keep shooting and your answer should climb out of the mist.

 

[Lauffray]

wonderfully weird indeed, Keith's remark is killer 😀
I used to think it was silly to own more than one lens in the same focal length, now I'm well on my way to owning my 3rd 35mm lens. thanks a lot, GAS 😛

 

[kokoshawnuff]

A bit as if Joyce was asking himself a question about lenses in a section of "Finnegans Wake".

To answer your question with my limited experience, I like the nokton f/1.1, but for me it is purely a lens to shoot at night or in low light situations; but ultimately I prefer the more compact summicron 50 as my everyday 50mm

 

[Roger Hicks]

A bit as if Joyce was asking himself a question about lenses in a section of "Finnegans Wake".

Reminded me more of Stanley Unwin.

From http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Stanley_Unwin_(comedian), where there is much more of the same:

This is a very good question and topicold. I would say that if the forward line have a symmetrical teamworkers and that they can from the first passit of the ball... take in mind the measured beat of a one, two, throo or fido..

Cheers,

R,

 

[former member]

I have the 50/1.1 Nokton, 35/1.2 Nokton, and 50/1.5 C-Sonnar.

The 50/1.1 is great in low-light, and for very narrow DOF. I use it and the 35/1.2 about equally. The 50/1.5 C-Sonnar is as sharp of a lens that I ever need by F2.8, and it is small. Plus it is a Sonnar.

The 50/1.1 Nokton for low-light, 50/1.5 C-Sonnar wide-open for soft portraits, and stopped down to F4~F5.6 for outdoors.

Forgot to add- I have enough 50s. For Example: there is a Topcor 5cm F2 in LTM in the classifieds right now. I do not own one. But I am not buying it.

My name is Brian, and it has been 7 days since I bought a 50mm lens.

 

[sebastel]

first of all, thanks for your helpful comments.

i came to a conclusion. it will only take some time until i pick up one of those, and i won't give up on neither sonnar, nor the 35mm nokton at the same time. (funding issues, the M9 has left a hole in my budget)

i asked my oracle once again. this time i met it in poetical/philosophical mood .... see below.

thanks again to everyone for your contributions!

cheers,
s.


###### oracle below ######

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[shadowfox]

😀 made me laugh out loud (smiley was too short...)

Yeah, apparently not too many db geek to appreciate a sql joke 🙂

 

[sebastel]

well, not every mentioning of "oracle" refers to a database. there was a meaning to this word in the times before SQL.

and i can also assure to you, that no redo tablespace got harmed during the processing of my oracles.