On Civility - Or - Why I Must Be Rude

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ci·vil·i·ty (sĭ-vĭl'ĭ-tē) n., pl. -ties.
Courteous behavior; politeness.
A courteous act or utterance.


One dictionary describes 'civility' as 'courteous behavior; politeness'. I must say that I am very much in favor of that. The world could do with a good bit more civility, right?

But wait. In my mind, I envision 'civility' as being a bit of a two-way street. Two people disagree, and because they are both exhibiting civility, they both give a little, engage in a little quid pro quo as it were, and come to a conclusion that is mutually acceptable, if not preferable. But that's not really true, is it?

There are two meanings of civility in the dictionary of public opinion. The first meaning is that of the dictionary in the literal sense - being polite. Can I be polite to you and refuse utterly to do anything you ask me to do? Certainly! And of course, when one friend is civil to another, one is considerate of their feelings, their prides and prejudices, their hopes and desires - one marks their words and actions towards that person with care and respect.

The second, and in my opinion, more common meaning, is that of 'do what I want you to do'. In this all-too-commonly accepted meaning, one exhibits 'civility' if they either do or or do not do something in accordance with another's wishes, and against their own.

The impetus to civility is also, I believe, the last bastion for the person who would like it very much if the laws were differently arranged - to suit their particular requirements or desires. "Be civil!" they cry, as if to hektor one into choosing to abandon a winning thoroughbred in favor of their sway-backed nag. Of course, to be fair, those worthies never think that of themselves - their point of view is always 'reasonable' and why not? If their demand is based on 'morals' that they believe everyone else holds as dear as they do, then why not demand that as a standard of behavior? One can ponder the morality of societies that have taken a set of generally-accepted morals as their basis for law and gone to extremes with it and decide for oneself if this is the outcome desired in free societies - this is left as an exercise for the reader.

When applied to photography, it is understood that a very many people do not like to have their photographs taken when they are in public places. They would prefer to be left alone. This is very understandable, and most photographers feel the same way themselves, truth be told.

Since people prefer not to be photographed in public, it is often argued that one is being 'uncivil' if one chooses to take a 'candid' or 'public' photograph of an unwilling or unwitting subject. This is entirely true - if the definition of 'civility' that one is using is the former - politeness, rather than the latter. Photography is impolite, unless solicited. This is because if permission to photograph is sought, then the photograph is solicited. Candid photography cannot be solicited by its very nature. Posed photographs are never candid.

Therefore, if there is to be candid photography, then it must be impolite - lacking in civility. To ask to take a candid photograph is to defeat the purpose.

Having dispensed with the former definition of civility (politeness), let us now deal with the latter (do what I want you to do). This is based on the notion that one has some sort of right not to be bothered - with anything. That one has a distinct and definable right not to be annoyed, perturbed, peeved, put out, vexed, or otherwise offended. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, freedom means that one must be ever more willing to accept offense in silence, to bear rudeness and horrible behavior and so on in great excrutiating amounts - unless and until that behavior infringes on a REAL civil liberty which one possesses, as opposed to a right that is made up as one goes along and placed under the umbrella of 'civility'.

Freedom, it has been noted by many, is messy business. To afford others the liberty that we would desire for ourselves, we must put up with much that we do not agree with. I will not offend these proceedings by elucidating further - I would presume that everyone can imagine some such scenario that offends them to their very core, but which they must tolerate.

The alternative, as noted, is a society which attempts to cater to the desires of its citizens not to be bothered, vexed, etc - and this is impossible to achieve. For my smoking may bother you - so we ban it. And your nose-whistling gets up my sleeve - so we ban that. And of course, every type of photography offends someone - so we get rid of all of that.

Freedom is all very easy when one thinks of the middle ground. Freedom of religion? Well, sure, so long as it is something not messy or smelly or loud, and doesn't involve the sacrifice of goats or the painting of things with blood. But what if it does? Ah, then we have a problem. But tell me - does freedom exist only in the middle of public opinion, and cease to exist out near the fringes? Can that be called freedom?

We likewise say that we have the right to free speech. And one may 'speak' in many ways, yes? Through paintings and books and magazines and posters and flag-burnings and demonstrations and parades and yes - photography. Ah well, one might say; that's all well and good - but these examples are clearly politically oriented - they are intended to demonstrate the concept of freedom of speech. One cannot simply take any random act of photography and defend it as an example of freedom of speech. Or can one?

LIBERY EXISTS AT THE FRINGES - OR ELSE IT DOES NOT EXIST AT ALL.

FREEDOM MUST INCLUDE THE MOST HATED OR THERE IS NO FREEDOM.

FREEDOM IS NOT JUST A GIFT, IT IS AN OBLIGATION

Again - freedom, to be freedom, must exist at the fringes as well as in the middle. One must put up with much to be free - the exercise of the freedoms of others that vex us so; but they must likewise put up with our expressions of freedom. So a small unknown photographer does indeed make a statement about freedom every time they raise their camera to their eye and take a photograph. That they can do so is a clear and unflinching statement that they are free - absolutely - to take that photograph, so long as it does not infringe on the rights of others.

And there's a sticky bit, eh? What are those rights? Well, the basics are clear. One has the right to privacy - but this has been rather strictly defined as being inside one's own dwelling place. One may also enjoy a measure of privacy in public areas where the owners of that property have chosen to establish, by exclusion of photography, a zone of semi-privacy. And Justice Brandeis did say that the most cherished right of all was the "right to be let alone." But he was not speaking of a person being left undisturbed and unfashed in a public setting - how is it that we have come to believe he did?

And so I come to the conclusion of my little screed. I rise on a point of honor to defend the indefensible - rudeness in the cause of candid or 'street' photography. For rudeness it must be, if the opposite of politeness is rudeness. I am a rude boy, for I do not ask for permission to take a photograph in public. I will not engage in polite conversation where the aim of the other party is to encourage me not to take a photograph of whatever I please. I am polite only by convention, in that I will say "please" and "thank you" and I will smile most convincingly when it seems appropriate to do so.

In fact, I must defend rudeness as a necessary aspect of candid photography; and I furthermore define candid photography as a freedom that exists on the fringes of freedom of speech. I conclude, therefore, that it is not morally wrong to participate in candid street photography, despite it being rude, ill-mannered, and altogether lacking in tact.

I would even go to the extreme and defend rudeness in the cause of candid photography as a moral imperative. I aspire to art, I aspire to freedom. As I am not called to the Cloth, there can be no higher calling for me, and as such, I am a hero of liberty every time I point a camera at another in public and tick them right off - though it would tick me off just the same way if t'were done to me instead.

Let a million candid shutters bloom across the landscape. All public eyes - rise and defend Mother Liberty, lest she be further molested by the politeness police.

So Mote It Be.

Peace Out,

Bill Mattocks
 
Dear Bill,

Hearty agreement. The big problem is people who are so thin-skinned that they perceive even inoffensive remarks/actions/reactions (and indeed humour) as aimed at THEM SPECIFICALLY. How do you propose to re-educate people to be more robust?

Cheers,

Roger
 
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I go back to my last question of the other thread. You have said this is about the law and not changing it on public whim. What if, the laws governing public privacy for the past fifty years stated that it is illegal to photograph a person in a public place, without their permission, except in specfic circumstances. Would you still support the law?
 
Alas freedom is becoming an illusion these days. We are filmed in the street by the police cameras and when we go into a store and there are security cameras watching us. Whilst it could be considered the Police have the right to watch us even if we have not committed and have no intention of committing an offence, what use do the store cameras get used for and by who?
 
Damn well said. And, unfortunately, reading it made me feel old. But now I'm looking at photography through the prism of an old me, the younger one heavy into punk and skateboarding in public spaces. Those feelings about doing my thing and being an agitator when provoked but within my rights have laid dormant in recent years, but the beliefs never changed.

I do find two faults, though:
Two people disagree, and because they are both exhibiting civility, they both give a little, engage in a little quid pro quo as it were, and come to a conclusion that is mutually acceptable, if not preferable. But that's not really true, is it?

no, because two people can hash out an issue and not budge on their positions, and, I believe, the argument can still be deemed civil by its tone. Happens on talk radio all the time (just not sports radio).

In fact, freedom means that one must be ever more willing to accept offense in silence, to bear rudeness and horrible behavior and so on in great excrutiating amounts - unless and until that behavior infringes on a REAL civil liberty which one possesses, as opposed to a right that is made up as one goes along and placed under the umbrella of 'civility'.

By the very nature of what's raised here, silence is not mandated -- I can accept offense and reciprocate it too. Nothing prevents me from making silly faces and flashing my nipple in your field of view. Except, of course, your relative size to me. 😀

I think, though, that a resistance to bearing offense leads to something that may make most of us uneasy, and that's the specter of social norms or societal dictates. If that's what you mean in general by "they," then I couldn't agree more.

Otherwise, it is a hearty treatise, Bill. Care to write it up as the primary rule in a movement?
 
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heh.. I'm printing this out (with a nice little bit about who wrote it and why) and handing it to everyone I meet who I may photograph in the street when they come up to me and cry "foul" 😀

(and I'm hoping they're not crying that because of the way I smell!!!) 😉

Well written Bill!!

Cheers
Dave
 
Roger Hicks said:
Dear Bill,

Hearty agreement. The big problem is people who are so thin-skinned that they perceive even inoffensive remarks/actions/reactions (and indeed humour) as aimed at THEM SPECIFICALLY. How do you propose to re-educate people to be more robust?

Cheers,

Roger

There must be camps for that sort of thing, yes?

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
dcsang said:
heh.. I'm printing this out (with a nice little bit about who wrote it and why) and handing it to everyone I meet who I may photograph in the street when they come up to me and cry "foul" 😀

(and I'm hoping they're not crying that because of the way I smell!!!) 😉

Well written Bill!!

Cheers
Dave

By the time they finish reading it, you'll have gotten clean away. Cheers, then, and good on yer.

Bill
 
kiev4a said:
I go back to my last question of the other thread. You have said this is about the law and not changing it on public whim. What if, the laws governing public privacy for the past fifty years stated that it is illegal to photograph a person in a public place, without their permission, except in specfic circumstances. Would you still support the law?

My respect is not for law, but for the freedom that those laws respect. When laws respect no freedom, they are unworthy and must be changed. It is the job of the US Supreme Court to determine what laws respect our freedoms and what laws don't. But in general, I tend to go along with the law as written to avoid being placed in a small room with a big man who fancies my bum.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
TPPhotog said:
Alas freedom is becoming an illusion these days. We are filmed in the street by the police cameras and when we go into a store and there are security cameras watching us. Whilst it could be considered the Police have the right to watch us even if we have not committed and have no intention of committing an offence, what use do the store cameras get used for and by who?

I used to be offended by that as well, until I read a book by David Brin on the topic of privacy - I forget the title at the moment. He made clear - we have no reasonable expectation of privacy outside our homes - get used to it. And that's fine, though it grates on our nerves. But nothing stops us from watching right back.

It's freedom for ALL, even the shop keepers and police who would spy on us - so long as the respect those rights which we DO have.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Dear Bill,

Even the Supreme Court is far from perfect, because of overly political appointees on both sides. It's the best there is, but couldn't there be a better?

This is of course an aspect of your magnificently expressed 'respect for law' versus 'freedom'

Cheers,

Roger
 
Bill don't get me wrong, as you say I don't mind being filmed and photographed in the least. Anyone can film or photograph me with or without my consent as long as I have the same right to do it to others 😉

I went on an arty photography course once (just the once LOL) and the first thing we had to do was model for each other in the class. After all how can we expect models to pose for us if we are not willing to do it ourself. In fact I got some of my best portraits I've ever taken in low light from those sessions with people who hate being photographed .... I digress sorry ....
 
stet said:
Damn well said. And, unfortunately, reading it made me feel old. But now I'm looking at photography through the prism of an old me, the younger one heavy into punk and skateboarding in public spaces. Those feelings about doing my thing and being an agitator when provoked but within my rights have laid dormant in recent years, but the beliefs never changed.
Hey, I'm 44. Time to start raising a little hell, don't you think? They'll never expect it from a bald old fat man.

I do find two faults, though:

Only two?

no, because two people can hash out an issue and not budge on their positions, and, I believe, the argument can still be deemed civil by its tone. Happens on talk radio all the time (just not sports radio).

Well, if neither changes their position, then they can't resolve the issue - only talk about it. I'm talking about getting one or both to change their activities to suit the other.

By the very nature of what's raised here, silence is not mandated -- I can accept offense and reciprocate it too. Nothing prevents me from making silly faces and flashing my nipple in your field of view. Except, of course, your relative size to me. 😀

I didn't mean 'silence' as in keep your mouth shut. I meant 'silence' as is 'accept that others have freedoms to, whether you like it or not'.

I think, though, that a resistance to bearing offense leads to something that may make most of us uneasy, and that's the specter of social norms or societal dictates. If that's what you mean in general by "they," then I couldn't agree more.

Otherwise, it is a hearty treatise, Bill. Care to write it up as the primary rule in a movement?

Could be fun, but I don't look good in a beret.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Roger Hicks said:
Dear Bill,

Even the Supreme Court is far from perfect, because of overly political appointees on both sides. It's the best there is, but couldn't there be a better?

This is of course an aspect of your magnificently expressed 'respect for law' versus 'freedom'

Cheers,

Roger

The best court is the one from which there is no appeal, and it is the only Judgement that I dread. No political correctness there, and only one rule.

As to the lower courts, well, one does what one can.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
bmattock said:
My respect is not for law, but for the freedom that those laws respect. When laws respect no freedom, they are unworthy and must be changed. It is the job of the US Supreme Court to determine what laws respect our freedoms and what laws don't. But in general, I tend to go along with the law as written to avoid being placed in a small room with a big man who fancies my bum.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks


Ok, I think I get it now . If a law approved by elected lawmakers and the courts and you agree with it, then anyone who questions that law is against motherhood, apple pie and probably an idiot to boot. BUT, if you don't agree with a law approved by elected lawmakers and the courts, then it is a law that is unconstitutional, oppressive and and part of a plot to deny us life, liberty and the pursuit of the perfect photo.

"He who does not enjoy solitude will not love freedom." -- Arthur Schopenhauer

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kiev4a said:
Ok, I think I get it now . If a law approved by elected lawmakers and the courts and you agree with it, then anyone who questions that law is against motherhood, apple pie and probably an idiot to boot. BUT, if you don't agree with a law approved by elected lawmakers and the courts, then it is a law that is unconstitutional, oppressive and and part of a plot to deny us life, liberty and the pursuit of the perfect photo.

"He who does not enjoy solitude will not love freedom." -- Arthur Schopenhauer

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Whatever gave you that idea? I do not determine a law's constitutionality, nor should I. That is the job of the US Supreme Court. There are many laws with which I take issue - but which have been determined to be constitutional and thus legal. And I obey them. If I should choose not to, I would therefore be ready to accept the consequences of my behavior.

I certainly have my own opinions as to which laws have been declared constitutional and I disagree with the Supreme Court's decision, but that is an opinion - I do not therefore disobey that law.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
TPPhotog said:
Alas freedom is becoming an illusion these days. We are filmed in the street by the police cameras and when we go into a store and there are security cameras watching us.

Yes, but the fact that cameras are watching you doesn't restrict your freedom to do as you please. It simply requires that you be willing to accept the consequences of your actions.


It seems hypocritical to argue that street photographers should be able to take pictures whenever and wherever they wish, but police officers and store security guards should not...
 
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