One BIG disappointment

[noimmunity]

Now that I've got your attention, it's just this: the XP1 apparently does not allow the user to set adjustable framelines in the OVF.

I am assuming/hoping that this and other functions related to adapted lenses will be addressed in the firmware update accompanying the release of the official Fuji adapter(s).

Not a show stopper, but I was looking forward to using wide angle M lenses in zone focus mode on the XP1, soft corners and all.

(Or have I missed something? Has anybody found a way to do this yet?)

 

[sevo]

I am assuming/hoping that this and other functions related to adapted lenses will be addressed in the firmware update accompanying the release of the official Fuji adapter(s).

If I was Fujifilm, I would have made the focal length storable in a memory area of the adapter, so that the frame lines switch with the adapter (and the users will be drawn towards buying one adapter per alien lens, which nicely reduces the problem of lacking lens sales that generally keeps makers less than enthusiastic about cameras too easy to use as a alien lens host). In which case the associated menu area might be hidden unless a adapter is attached...

 

[chris00nj]

What about the Focal Length setting in the shooting menu?


On the plus side, this camera can do double exposures. I'm not well versed in digital cameras, but this is the first one I've seen that can do it. Here's a sample

 

[gavinlg]

Now that I've got your attention, it's just this: the XP1 apparently does not allow the user to set adjustable framelines in the OVF.

I am assuming/hoping that this and other functions related to adapted lenses will be addressed in the firmware update accompanying the release of the official Fuji adapter(s).

Not a show stopper, but I was looking forward to using wide angle M lenses in zone focus mode on the XP1, soft corners and all.

(Or have I missed something? Has anybody found a way to do this yet?)

Umm... I'm 99.9% sure you can actually set focal length setting for the optical viewfinder.

 

[jsrockit]

I thought I've heard of people adjusting then 50mm framelines to 53mm in camera...

 

[noimmunity]

Umm... I'm 99.9% sure you can actually set focal length setting for the optical viewfinder.

The framelines can be user set, and the camera can be set to "fire with no lens", but the combination does not produce user-defined framelines *in the optical viewfinder*.

Page 70 of the English manual details instructions for the user-selectable focal lengths, but there is no mention whatsoever that these changes will be reflected in the OVF.

I have the camera, have tried to set the focal length while selecting "shoot w/out lens"; heck, I have even tried it without a lens just to see.

Please do not bother with RTFM comments. I would like responses from people who actually have the camera and have discovered a way to initiate framelines of user-defined focal length in the OVF.

The other 99.9% is just hot air, thank you.

 

[Tim Gray]

The framelines can be user set, and the camera can be set to "fire with no lens", but the combination does not produce user-defined framelines *in the optical viewfinder*.

What does the frame line setting do then? I would have thought it's only purpose was to produce frame lines in the finder.

 

[j.scooter]

I thought I've heard of people adjusting then 50mm framelines to 53mm in camera...

Yes. This is the thread in question. Although there is not much detail how he changes the framelines.
http://http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117604

 

[ray*j*gun]

The framelines can be user set, and the camera can be set to "fire with no lens", but the combination does not produce user-defined framelines *in the optical viewfinder*.

Page 70 of the English manual details instructions for the user-selectable focal lengths, but there is no mention whatsoever that these changes will be reflected in the OVF.

I have the camera, have tried to set the focal length while selecting "shoot w/out lens"; heck, I have even tried it without a lens just to see.

Please do not bother with RTFM comments. I would like responses from people who actually have the camera and have discovered a way to initiate framelines of user-defined focal length in the OVF.

The other 99.9% is just hot air, thank you.

I don't know what RTFM comments are but with that attitude you won't be getting any comments at all.

 

[stormhalvorsen]

Yes. This is the thread in question. Although there is not much detail how he changes the framelines.
http://http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117604

That thread appears to be gone now, so I guess he couldn't make it work after all. Meanwhile, I have set my lens choice to 53mm, but I cannot tell if there is any difference.

Maybe not as the frameline is selected automatically for original Fuji lenses? And anyway, shouldn't it be set to 35mm and not 50 if is uses the actual Fuji lens specifications and not what it is roughly equalent to on an FX system?

 

[noimmunity]

I don't know what RTFM comments are but with that attitude you won't be getting any comments at all.

"99.9% sure" (see post #4) - from someone who probably doesn't even have the camera.

 

[noimmunity]

Yes. This is the thread in question. Although there is not much detail how he changes the framelines.
http://http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117604

Yes, I had read that thread.

Since you have the camera, would you be so kind as to try to verify for yourself whether there is any change in the OVF framelines?

I have used a tape measure running laterally across the bottom of the frame to test possible change and could not detect any.

 

[semordnilap]

Proper link to that thread is here:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117604

 

[noimmunity]

One possible explanation is that since adapted lenses can only be reliably focused using the EVF (there is no focus confirmation in the OVF using the third-part adapters available now), Fuji did not include the ability for user-defined focal length framelines in the OVF.

Perhaps Fuji will change this with a future update, hopefully one that coincides at the latest with the official M adapter.

 

[segedi]

On the plus side, this camera can do double exposures. I'm not well versed in digital cameras, but this is the first one I've seen that can do it. Here's a sample

The Nikon DSLRs have had multiple exposure for a while now. And a builtin intervalometer, which I think is great. Wish I had one.

 

[Paul Luscher]

What about the Focal Length setting in the shooting menu?


On the plus side, this camera can do double exposures. I'm not well versed in digital cameras, but this is the first one I've seen that can do it. Here's a sample

My understanding is that the Olympus EM-5, when it comes out, will also do double exposures.

 

[j.scooter]

Yes, I had read that thread.

Since you have the camera, would you be so kind as to try to verify for yourself whether there is any change in the OVF framelines?

I have used a tape measure running laterally across the bottom of the frame to test possible change and could not detect any.

Will do. I will post results this evening.

 

[dcsang]

I've played with this and I can see what Jon is saying.

The OVF "lines" don't really change - at least I can't detect that. So the "framelines" remain the same - what DOES happen though is there's a "magnifier" that gets slipped across the viewfinder which changes the magnification through the viewfinder depending on what lens you have in place.

So, with the 18mm lens you always see the "wide angle" type of view and the framelines look like they cover a good chunk of, but not the entire, viewfinder. With the 35mm lens, once you put it on after the 18mm has been on the camera, and you turn the camera on, you see the "magnifying" glass get slid into the viewfinder. Take a look yourself and see - put on the 18mm lens on the camera and then turn the camera on, view the framelines, turn the camera off. Remove the 18mm lens from the camera. Put the 35mm lens on the camera. Look through the viewfinder AND THEN turn the camera on. You'll see what I mean.

That said, in the manual on page 20

This display is immune from digital video effects and allows the subject to be viewed directly with no display lag. Subjects are always in focus allowing you to check their expression at any time while a field of view slightly larger than that of the lens makes it easier to locate your subject without removing your eye from the viewfinder. The viewfinder window however is at a slight distance from the lens, with the result that the display in the viewfinder may differ from the final photograph due to parallax.

That sort of explains it for me - in other words - the OVF is not perfect and Fuji admits this. Not that it isn't disappointing to those who were hoping for matching up framelines to lenses via the OVF. The best hope, I guess, is to use both the OVF and EVF when shooting with manual focus lenses.

The "focal length setting" menu item seems only to be used when you are using non Fujinon XF lenses - so Fuji knows this camera will be used with other focal lengths - but using this setting with the Fujinon XF lenses seems to be pointless since the lens tells the camera what its focal length is......

Cheers,
Dave

 

[noimmunity]

Hey Dave, congratulations on getting the camera! You're in for a lot of fun, and I will look forward to seeing your photos!

Changing the magnification has no effect on the (non)ability to set user-defined brightlines in the OVF. The VF magnification can be changed by holding the "viewfinder selector lever" in the up position for several seconds (a quick flip of the selector lever will toggle to EVF).

So there is still as yet no way for the user to set user-defined framelines in the OVF.

Just try going into the menu and changing the focal length. You can even try changing the setting to make the camera fire without a lens. Still, one does not see in the OVF framelines corresponding to those entered by the user.

I think we were all confused by that one earlier post (which did not provide any details) and our good-natured assumption that Fuji would most certainly include such capability in the design of the camera.

Enjoy your camera! The 35 is so good and the camera fits my style of use so well, it doesn't really matter to me whether I can use adapted lenses.

I've played with this and I can see what Jon is saying.

The OVF "lines" don't really change - at least I can't detect that. So the "framelines" remain the same - what DOES happen though is there's a "magnifier" that gets slipped across the viewfinder which changes the magnification through the viewfinder depending on what lens you have in place.

So, with the 18mm lens you always see the "wide angle" type of view and the framelines look like they cover a good chunk of, but not the entire, viewfinder. With the 35mm lens, once you put it on after the 18mm has been on the camera, and you turn the camera on, you see the "magnifying" glass get slid into the viewfinder. Take a look yourself and see - put on the 18mm lens on the camera and then turn the camera on, view the framelines, turn the camera off. Remove the 18mm lens from the camera. Put the 35mm lens on the camera. Look through the viewfinder AND THEN turn the camera on. You'll see what I mean.

That said, in the manual on page 20


That sort of explains it for me - in other words - the OVF is not perfect and Fuji admits this. Not that it isn't disappointing to those who were hoping for matching up framelines to lenses via the OVF. The best hope, I guess, is to use both the OVF and EVF when shooting with manual focus lenses.

The "focal length setting" menu item seems only to be used when you are using non Fujinon XF lenses - so Fuji knows this camera will be used with other focal lengths - but using this setting with the Fujinon XF lenses seems to be pointless since the lens tells the camera what its focal length is......

Cheers,
Dave

 

[dcsang]

Hi Jon,

I agree with you - there is no way to change the framelines with the OVF. No argument there 🙂

I didn't expect to be able to but I can see how, as you said, some people may be confused by these "framelines" within the OVF.

The combination OVF/EVF though does help with respect to MF - I am awaiting the delivery of the Kipon adapter (will hopefully be here next week) at which time I can better determine how to use the camera with non-AF (i.e non Fuji) lenses.

Still, the camera is a lot of fun and I love it so far.

Cheers,
dave