adrianzg
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just found this list after searching for 2 days:
so the m2 went to paris for a service before heading to britain. 🙂
so the m2 went to paris for a service before heading to britain. 🙂
Painted black bodies
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squirrel$$$bandit
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Holy moley, I had no idea it was so complicated! I think I'll just start trolling eBay for the Leitz FIKBO Lens Mount Seal Decoder.
mojobebop
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gibson had been doing it before fender i believe
however more expensive
and the aging on the metal parts; bridge, etc. they mention
to be careful as it can be wiped off.
i used to frequent the forum and would be amazed at the amount of $ they charged
and for the slightest customized request, the amount of $, and sometimes a year or 2 waiting time.
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gibson had been doing it before fender i believe
however more expensive
and the aging on the metal parts; bridge, etc. they mention
to be careful as it can be wiped off.
i used to frequent the forum and would be amazed at the amount of $ they charged
and for the slightest customized request, the amount of $, and sometimes a year or 2 waiting time.
mojobebop
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the quality of wood, and it's aging/drying method impact the quality of the instrument.
do you know what method the rellic series uses?
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the quality of wood, and it's aging/drying method impact the quality of the instrument.
do you know what method the rellic series uses?
leicamshooter
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I sent an M2 over to Robert for a full Black paint job. I cant wait to get it back. I will post pics of it with a Black Paint Summicron 35m Asph soon.
250swb
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I think it was Gibson who started out matching repairs with the patina of the original instrument.
But it was Vince Cunetto who started manufacturing the 'Relic' series in the late 1980's with his Nocaster's and Stratocaster's. It was in collaboration with Fender in the early years. Using hand selected and aged wood his team set about re-creating the sound and feel of the originals. Part of this was using the correct auto paints (nitro cellulose or acrylic, depending on colour) and making sure there was as little paint on as possible. The crazing (checking) of the paint surface was/is done with compressed air cans held upside down and sprayed on, the sudden cold cracking the paint, just like it had come out of a hot gig and thrown into the back of a cold car. The nickel plated parts are given an acid sauna to tarnish them (it etches the surface so it is hard to polish them back to a full shine) as if years of sweat had been at work. Much of the work done on the artificially aged guitars is said to mellow the instrument and allow the wood to resonate better. I wonder if this could be said of brassed cameras, that they take better pictures (possibly, because you're less bothered about the first scratch and just get on with it)?
When Cunetto left to form his own company at the end of the nineties Fender took the Custom Shop Relic process in house, although in a separate factory and even with their own supply of premium wood. Nothing is shared with the main Fender plants. They carried on the themes, and making limited runs or individual instruments, either Relic or 'new', so long as you have the money. Today they are even more accurate to the original than the Page series, although a lot of this detail is hidden. My two CS babies (not from the Cunetto era) are a Nocaster and a Stratocaster, both in the Custom Classic finish, which is mellow nitro paint but no scratches, dings, or wear (I add my own).
Steve
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Paul T.
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The idea came from Keith Richards. Fender made him a bunch of Teles, he said they didn't feel right and asked them to scuff them up. A friend of mne was writing about the them and said to Fender, "why don't you retail them?" And they did.
THey do feel better than the new ones - strange, I know, it's just conditioning.
Levi's have been doing something similar for the last 8 years - make a replica of 1880s jeans, complete with repairs & wear copied from the original. It is quite an art. But done on a large scale, it's hugely polluting and wasteful and is damaging the water supply in China, Indonesia and Mexico, where most of the finishing has moved.
Thinking about it, with my Shintaro M4, I did ask him to take the edge off the paint just so I wouldn't feel bad when it got its first ding. What a poser!
Old camera:
Old jeans:
250swb
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Official Fender history has it as Ronnie Wood wanting a new 'aged' pickguard for his Broadcaster, and ending up with an entire new relic'ed guitar. Those Levi's are interesting, never seen any before. I guess the yellow urine patch is somehow equivalent to the re-created cigarette burn marks in a Fender headstock, a detail to far. Whats it going to be on a re-painted painted Leica, your name scratched on the top plate?
Steve
picker77
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M2 engraving concern for repaint
M2 engraving concern for repaint
I noticed the engraved lettering on Erik's M2 looks significantly wider and deeper than that on the beater I'm getting ready to paint. Now I'm concerned I might not be able to get a decent paint fill on the engraving after the top plate is painted. I supposed I could just not worry about filling the engraving, but I'd rather not do that. Is the difference (see photos) enough to be a big deal in this case?
M2 engraving concern for repaint
I noticed the engraved lettering on Erik's M2 looks significantly wider and deeper than that on the beater I'm getting ready to paint. Now I'm concerned I might not be able to get a decent paint fill on the engraving after the top plate is painted. I supposed I could just not worry about filling the engraving, but I'd rather not do that. Is the difference (see photos) enough to be a big deal in this case?
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The Leica script is usually deep/wide enough, the 'M2' and serial number can vary however.
Nick De Marco
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I have a painting query. I have a very nice Canon P painted black before I bought it. Some of the paint has come off around the winder. Is this something I can touch up myself? It's just a few specs of chrome showing through...
Does anyone know what kind of paint I should use, and should I just use a small brush?
Thanks
Does anyone know what kind of paint I should use, and should I just use a small brush?
Thanks
rlouzan
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Erik van Straten
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The top plates that where used to be black painted got an imprint of the logo that was much deeper than the top plates that where to be chromed. This is the principal point on wich "real" black painted cameras can be distinguised from fake ones.
Erik.
Erik.
Erik van Straten
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This is one of the earliest black M2's. Apart from the about 150 black original MP's there were some black M3's, but I am quite sure this camera is within the first 200 black M-Leicas.
Erik.
Erik.
picker77
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Interesting, Erik, and it makes sense why they did that. I might give filling the lettering a try, but I'll use paint I can scrub out cleanly if it doesn't work out. I'll also take care to lay down as thin a coat as possible when I airbrush it, too. I'll be using a thinned 2-part oven-cured polymer normally used for firearms and small machine parts. This will be the first time I've tried it on a camera, and also the first time I've tried it on brass, which could be a challenge. Should be an interesting experiment.
You'll need to use a good primer so the paint won't just flake off the brass.
wjlapier
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Erik,
might consider sending that ratty M2 to Robert. He can clean that thing up nice 😉
might consider sending that ratty M2 to Robert. He can clean that thing up nice 😉
This is one of the earliest black M2's. Apart from the about 150 black original MP's there were some black M3's, but I am quite sure this camera is within the first 200 black M-Leicas.
Erik.
Tom Rymour
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I found a dented button-rewind M2 with good vulkanit here in Joburg. Peter Grisaffi (CRR Luton, UK) burned off the chrome, panel-beat the top, polished it, then did a semi-gloss baked enamel black finish plus a CLA. Two years down the line, people still assume I've got an "a la carte M2". This is a working camera and there's no sign of brassing yet. I've never been able to comprehend that strange collector's fetish!
Erik van Straten
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Can you post a picture of it? Just lay it on your flatbed scanner. I know Peter G. is a wonderful technician.
Erik.
Rogrund
Antti Sivén
Maybe this black paint M2 could use some new black paint... just kidding.
It's for sale at a Swedish dealer, something like 1900 Euros.
It's for sale at a Swedish dealer, something like 1900 Euros.