> tammons, I'm certainly not meaning to offend either, but...
By the self confident way you stepped into this thread teaching everybody what has to be done - and how - I first thought you were kind of an authority here. Only then I read your registration date. Welcome to the forum!
Yeah right. I guess you are inferring that just because I recently joined this forum I dont know what I am talking about and have little experience in photography.
> To sum up what you have been stating so far: The scanner/scanning comparison needs to be based on a Leica M 35/1.4 asph neg/slide (of emulsions you know). You don't own that lens, but you KNOW that it needs to be done that way.
Okay your Oly is probably fine and I am sure your film choices are better for a scanner test than PanF, E100G or Velvia.
> You are offering to provide better targets than the ones available,
Better film. Elite chrome resolve 50 lp/mm in average contrast.
Velvia resolves 80lp/mm in average contrast, and E100G is right there with it but it is cleaner scanning. PanF is up there too.
If you have a drum or film scanner capable of resolving 70-80 lp/mm why would you want to use a film that resolves at 50 or a lens that brings velvia down to 50.
Kodak stated that it takes a lens 3x the rez of film to fully resolve it. Thats 240lp/mm for Velvia.
Case in point. A 3000 dpi film scan out of say a microtek dedicated film scanner and a 4000 dpi drum scan of a 45lp/mm film would look almost exactly the same as far as edge sharpness, but that same test with 80lp/mm film is a different story.
What I have been trying to say all along is with a less than perfect and very sharp photo you can get misleading results, which is what I have seen on other test sites too.
> but you don't have time right now to do so - so we better all hold our breath 'til you will.
I did not know this was on a tight deadline ??
I am an architect, so I am not going to re-schedule my clients so I can shoot a film session for 4 hours, tomorrow morning. I had intended to do this on a weekend, but Okay, you should provide the film.
> By then, you will... what? Produce macro shots with that lens (you don't own and which is completely unsuited for macro photography) of boring, uninspiring and far from real world subjects lined up one next to the other, so the results will look like the myriads of test target shots that you are linking us to?
Yeah right again. WTF are you talking about. Boring, uninspiring and far from real world subjects ??
Who said I was going to produce those. I just said it would be a good idea to include a target test shot. Its a scanner test and people are interested in DR and true optical rez for the most part.
You missed the point on the digital macro shot. Its not a macro shot of a subject, its a macro shot of the film itself. It goes beyond what a scanner can pick up that is unless you can a scanmaster 11000 dpi scanner. Its intended to show the true structure of the film grain.
What myriad. I linked you guys to 1 target test shot scanned with 2 scanners.
> Maybe shutterflower was looking for something new, something fresh, something inspiring.
Sounds great.
> He sounded very upbeat so far - but I was surprised to come back to his thread today and not find any reply of his - nor of anybody else.
Maybe because he is waiting for me to get back to him with the details ??
> Maybe, it was not your intention to hush down the initiative - but the outcome of your intervention sadly appears to have had this effect. A pity.
I doubt it. If thats all it takes to halt the process, I doubt it ever would have come to fruition anyway.
> Cheers.
Yeah right. Just because I offered for free, pan-F, E100G and Velvia 35mm film shots at no expense to anybody but myself, and then drum scan and also scan them with an Epson and a Minolta 5400-II that makes me a party pooper ??
Sheeesh, where are you coming from ?? Sounds like you are offended because you might be cut out.
I was willing to commit to a significant amount of time to produce some quality film..........
but you are right.
You supply the film and shutterflower can send them around the globe. I am out.
Shutterflower,
I am sorry but I am out. I dont need the aggravation. Its a great idea and I hope you will continue with the test. Its a worthwhile effort and it will help people here.
Its obvious that some people dont see the value of using the best equipment and best and cleanest scanning film available when testing scanners. Still good luck with it and I hope it works out. If you have any questions email me. I dont think I will respond anymore here. Its starting to sound too much like DPreview.
