pissed off

[back alley]

i am really liking the 21 mm lens on my rd1 and the cv is a nice lens...small and sharp, easy to focus or just use hyperfocal distance method...but i want something faster...
like a 1.4 to expand usage...but who has that sort of cash to afford one?
not i...

 

[ferider]

Well .... you could spend your X100 budget on a Zuiko 21/2 with adapter; not a bad lens at all and you don't need RF coupling, do you ? 🙂

 

[back alley]

Well .... you could spend your X100 budget on a Zuiko 21/2 with adapter; not a bad lens at all and you don't need RF coupling, do you ? 🙂

my x100 $$ was likely to be from selling one of the rd1s.
i would be hard pressed to sell one for a lens though.

 

[BillBingham2]

Why should we worry about you? Your Dollar is now worth more than ours!

Table Top Tripod.

B2 (;->

 

[kshapero]

I feel your pain brother, same boat, plus that 21 lux is huge.

 

[ItsReallyDarren]

A fast 21mm that doesn't break the bank? Now we just play the waiting game with Cosina, who knows what they'll surprise us with next.

 

[back alley]

A fast 21mm that doesn't break the bank? Now we just play the waiting game with Cosina, who knows what they'll surprise us with next.

i'm hoping cosina is listening also...

 

[Todd Frederick]

Joe...as you know I'm using Al Kaplan's old Bessa-L body and got a 21mm f/4 CV lens from his son. That should be a lens that can be hand held at 1/15th sec which would with some care, press it close to your cheek and such, or at least 1/30th which would be an equivalent of f/2. I'm trying to practice some 1/15th shots inside the house, and we'll see how well I do. I can't justify the extra cost or size of an f/2 lens for a small camera.

 

[back alley]

oh i know...

f4 really isn't all that bad...but something 2 or under would be such a treat,

 

[back alley]

avenon/kobalux 21mm?

personally i always thought the rd-1 was an awesome iso 1600 camera so F4 wouldn't be such a bother.

too pricey atm...

and yes, i should use 1600 more...i tend to stop at 800 mostly.

 

[isorgb]

and yes, i should use 1600 more...i tend to stop at 800 mostly.

and it was wrong way.

 

[gekopaca]

Table Top Tripod.

Did somebody try to use a table tripod pushed on his chest?
Personnaly I shot like that with my 12mm f5.6 @ 1/15, even 1/8 with rather good results…

When I could also support my shoulder against a tree / wall, the results were even better.

 

[rxmd]

Did somebody try to use a table tripod pushed on his chest?
Personnaly I shot like that with my 12mm f5.6 @ 1/15, even 1/8 with rather good results…

A 12mm lens is just about the most un-critical lens you can get. It's so wide that you can shoot 1/15 handheld without a tripod. Subject motion is more of a problem.

 

[gekopaca]

A 12mm lens is just about the most un-critical lens you can get. It's so wide that you can shoot 1/15 handheld without a tripod. Subject motion is more of a problem.

Sorry I don't understand your message.

I was speaking about low-light situations, and I use the same technic with all my other lenses.
I only choose the 12mm as example because it's f5.6 (regarding the subject of that thread)

So : did you try that technic, with your 50mm or whatever?

 

[LCT]

Faster means bigger unfortunately. I don't use much the Elmarit 21/2.8 asph for this only reason.

 

[jsrockit]

Why not a compromise?

Zeiss Ikon Biogon T* 21mm f/2.8 ZM

 

[back alley]

Why not a compromise?

Zeiss Ikon Biogon T* 21mm f/2.8 ZM

size and $$...but i may go that route anyway.

 

[Sparrow]

Sorry I don't understand your message.

I was speaking about low-light situations, and I use the same technic with all my other lenses.
I only choose the 12mm as example because it's f5.6 (regarding the subject of that thread)

So : did you try that technic, with your 50mm or whatever?

holding a 12mm at 1/15 is the same (as easy) as holding a 50mm at 1/60 because of the FOV

 

[gekopaca]

holding a 12mm at 1/15 is the same (as easy) as holding a 50mm at 1/60 because of the FOV

Ok, Ok, you're right…

So, have you tried the above technique to get 1, 2 or 3 stops in low light situations with a 50mm or even longer lens?

 

[rxmd]

Sorry I don't understand your message.

There is a rule of thumb that short lenses are much easier to hand-hold than long ones. Usually we say that you can comfortably shoot hand-held at focal length X down to a speed of 1/X. So even shooting an 12mm lens at 1/8 is just like shooting a 50mm lens at 1/30, i.e. it doesn't really say much about the stability of the tripod.

So : did you try that technic, with your 50mm or whatever?

I did and found it rather awkward. Among this kind of solutions I prefer a long piece of string attached to a tripod screw. However, tastes differ; one man's owl is another man's nightingale.

I find that in wideangles there is really no replacement for lens speed, (except maybe a camera with good high ISO capabilities 😉). The Summilux 21/f1.4 is one of the few Leica lenses that I'm seriously interested in.