Please help me to decide - MP or M7 ??

So I've used battery driven cameras for many years and not one failure, documented or undocumented. The secret is to carry replacement batteries. There - I've let it out. Just don't tell anyone else. 😉

My current everyday is a 0.85 M7 with a 35mm lens and AFAIK I haven't missed too much yet. Yes they're not as good as the 35 framelines on a 0.72 but that lens is very usable on a 0.85 mag cam - take my word for it (another sample of one). 🙂

 
As a Hexar RF shooter, I know that I always have the option of "shifting for myself" by going to manual mode. The Hexar in auto is sort of like a Maserati with paddle-shifters, but I'm always aware of what's happening, and can make changes if desired. If I were shooting Leica - and had the luxury ($) of owning two bodies - I'd have either a pair of M7s or an M7 and MP (because I like the MP too). But, of the two Leicas, only the M7 gives you the option of either manual or aperture-priority AE. You're in charge, without judgement (except, perhaps, on the part of your Leica-shooting peers). You make the call as to how a picture-taking situation is approached. I happen to think that, at least up to a point (I gave up multi-mode SLRs, if you want a hint as to where I draw the line) options are good, not bad. An M7 with a Tri-Elmar is a formidable combination. Just add lots of film, and you'll be occupied for months at a stretch, if not longer. Can't ask for much more in this life (photographically speaking, at any rate).


- Barrett
 
Hi everybody,

thanks again for your answers. I think, it will lead to the MP. As it is my first Leica-M, I want one in mint / as new / new condition and the offered MP (practically 'new', just laid in a collector's showcase, has never been used) is a great price (at least in comparison with other prices for Leica here in Germany). At the moment, it went even down to about 2100 $. I will drive to the dealer and look at it (perhaps get it 😀 ) next week.

Best wishes,
Thorsten

matti said:
What lens are you planning to buy?

Hi matti,

it depends on my 'after body'-budget. As I am a 50-guy, I plan to get a Summilux-50-Asph (sooner or later). If I can't afford it yet, I will look at the used market or perhaps at the ZM 50 Planar. Perhaps I will start with an Elmar-50 for the first time. Are there any experiences in compairing the Elmar to the ZM Planar?

Best wishes,
Thorsten
 
These days, rangefinder photography has little to do with logic. Go with the camera your heart tells you is the right one. In the long run, you'll be happy.

The MP and M6 have the greatest "fun factor" for the act of taking photographs that I've ever experienced. I believe the M7 may detract a bit from that fun factor.

Aperture priority isn't going to save you a lot of time. Rarely, will it make a difference between getting good pics and not. Its amazing how fast you can get with a fully mechanical camera when you become familiar with it and use it often.

Based on my past experience with a G2, I don't trust electronics. Although there are plenty of M7 users who have never had a problem, you read far more posts on these types of forum about problems with the M7 compared to the M6 or MP.

If you get an MP, it should last a lifetime. There is something special about a material thing being with you through various stages of your life. Musicians feels much the same way about their instruments. You can pass the MP onto your children. I don't think the same is true about the M7 -- eventually its eletronics will fail for which their will be no spare parts.

Before the M7 was introduced, one of the consistent arguments in favor of the Leica Ms were their mechanical nature, albeit with a meter. This dealt with durability issues and forcing the photographer to make conscious choices. Many of us still feel this way.

If you want aperture priority, the new Zeiss Ikon is probably the best bang for the buck, especially if you wear glasses.

I echoe the prase of Tony Rose. He has the best best prices and good service. Grey Market MPs are in the $2500 US range.

Both the M6 and MP are fun to use. I've used them both extensively and currently have two MPs, although I've never paid Leica's horribly inflated MSRP. You will pay about $1200 US for a grey market MP over a mint M6.

If what Leica says is true, then the MP is more durable then the M6, which says a lot, because the M6 is built like a rock. When developing the MP, Leica supposedly (according to Leica) took the M6 apart and asked themselves whether each component could be improved, and made the improvements. Leica also guranteed repair parts for the MP for 30 years.

Although I have two MPs, I probably would have been just as happy as keeping my M6s. I would rather have an older body and current optics, because Leica's current lenses are phenomenal.

It sounds like the reason you got out of digital is to get away from electronics. Why would you go back to relying on electronics?

If I were you, I would get an MP or M6 and see how it goes. If after 6 months to a year, you find yourself missing too many pics, then you'll know what to do.

Have fun with whichever direction you go.
 
"Based on my past experience with a G2, I don't trust electronics...."

This just shows how different we all are: In the many AF and AE cameras I've owned I found my Contax G2 to be the most precise and accurate of all----for both focusing and exposure. I love my MP for the different feel and experience I get but my G2 is superlative. You might have had one that needed adjusting.

My love of my MP has nothing to do with my love of or lack of love for electronics but that it is a manual everything camera except for the meter. I can easily adjust and choose the exposure setting, the focus, etc. Can do that with the M7 but I favor the "needle" meter (so to speak). And if the batteries fail it can still function completely with me using sunny-16, and since I shoot B&W mostly with my MP that's little issue.
 
sgy1962 said:
These days, rangefinder photography has little to do with logic. Go with the camera your heart tells you is the right one. In the long run, you'll be happy.

Hi sgy1962,

this is exactly, why I will get the MP. Thanks for your great reply! I am a bit disappointed, that I probably won't have the money for current Leica-lenses (esp. the Summilux 1.4/50 Asph) immediately, when I will purchase the body, but I fell in love with the MP the first time I saw it. As I thought about "taking quick snapshots" I was thinking, that the M7 could be better, which led me to an inner-conflict. Thanks to your replies, I now know again, that I really want the MP. As I know myself, I would be disappointed later, if I would save some money now (buying a used M6/5/4/3) for the glass. When I will buy the MP now, I will hardly be able to wait for the great glass, but that's life. 😉

Best wishes,
Thorsten
 
Leica MP plus Carl Zeiss 50/2 is one of the best combo you can have initially. I love Zeiss lens for years, which is almost perfect, espcially shooting slides in a rainy day, it can't be beat.

In terms of cost, I am in the same boat. It is not I can't afford to get both MP and 50/1.4 or even 50/1 at the initial purchase, but sort of exceeding a mental threshold of what I should have spent the money on, like, for example, my mortgages... -🙁
 
A bit off toic....

Someone mentioned buying Leica gray market. I bought alot of my Leica's in the past from Jim Khuel who used to sell (not anymore) Leica gray market gear. Wheres a good and reliable place to buy gray market gear now?

Thanks,
Josef
 
Hi Josef,

Look no further than Tony Rose ,owner of popflash photo. He is also one of the RFF's sponsors. I also answered this question in your other thread.

Cheers,
kf
 
Josef I recently bought a Leica lens from Tony at Popflash and it was an excellent experience with an unbelievable price. Highly recommended! 🙂

 
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