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Al Kaplan said:
...there's no need for the constant put downs <snip> of those of us still using film or preferring traditional silver gelatin prints from the darkroom.

Let's enjoy our rangefinders and use this place for a civil exchange of ideas and techniques.

Hear hear! Hip hip! (where's my rompope?)
Hooray!
 
I believe you should rethink your bias towards censorship, Joe.

It just means more work for you and Jorge.

Words don't really hurt anyone ... it's all in your heads.
 
Kevin, you don't really want RFF to be more like PNet, do you? Peopl;e over there call each other names and then get deleted anyway. Someone tried to start a Leica forum a while ago with no censorship whatsoever as a reaction to the censorship at PNet, but it was a disaster.
 
Any community, whether it's two people in one house or bunches of RFers in one forum needs balance. Often what brings balance is when opposites pull in different directions; it keeps both at center. This place is about cameras and using them and enjoying them. When I seek advice or read others' questions I welcome different and even opposing views. I'll find the center.

The various viewpoints "about cameras and using them and enjoying them" is why I enjoy coming here. If everyone was like me, I definately wouldn't come back. *big yawn* And it's obvious to me that most are really working hard at sharing those diverse views with [their best] civility. That too will keep me here and will draw others, obviously. For that great effort, I salute each of our fellow RFFers.

"...but names will never hurt me." Yep, I learned that too... learned it from another preschooler. I also learned from experience that it's a lie. And I've got the destroyed friendships to prove it. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

"Let's enjoy our rangefinders and use this place for a civil exchange of ideas and techniques." Very well said, Al. Thanks. I'm in.
 
>>Words don't really hurt anyone ... it's all in your heads.<<

No. Words are some of the most powerful tools (or weapons) that a human being can wield. This is a forum about the creation of visual images through the means of a rather antiquated photography system. And at least 95 percent of the communication that takes place here is via words, not pictures. Words shape our thoughts and define our perceptions. "A word aptly chosen is like apples of gold in settings of silver." If words had no value, then Shakespeare and Goethe and the Declaration of Independence and the United Nations Charter would all have no value.
 
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Frankly, I have learned to simply walk away.

It's something I try to teach my 12 year old son. Maybe a few adults could benefit from the practice.

I find that even the most ardent grouse will get bored eventually.

Bob H
 
Al Kaplan said:
This place is a real pleasure

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there's no need for the constant put downs over on P-net of those of us still using film or preferring traditional silver gelatin prints from the darkroom.

Let's enjoy our rangefinders and use this place for a civil exchange of ideas and techniques.


Yes, even digital rangefinders and prints made outside of a dark room 🙂
 
In 1999 a group similar to Rangefinderforum (www.stickbow.com) got into a battle...involved about 20 guys...don't recall what it was about...traditional bow hunters (wooden bows, wooden arrows): these were all good guys, though a few may have been loonies like Mattock and me. Maybe...

So, somebody suggested we all get together in February, camp out in Ohio, an hour north of Columbus, and hunt rabbits with traditional bows. So we did.

60 guys camped 3 nights in the ice... bitter cold...pac boots weren't quite enough. GORH 99, Sixtieth Annual Great Ohio Rabbit Hunt. Guys came from Seattle, Los Angeles, Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, Illinois, New York, and THE NETHERLANDS fergawdsssake! Some brought lunatic beagles. And I came from New Mexico. Lots of fence mending, lots of fellowship, lots of licorice-flavored Dutch alcohol, lots of venison brought from home, lots of long-lasting new friendships...and we only kilt 4 bunnies. This was called the "sixtieth annual" because another similar-sized bunch had done it in 1939, without the benefit of the Internet, with exactly the same rabbit body count.
 
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