Point and shoot with long fast lens and flash ?

[Joosep]

Hi guys !

Im probing the market. So Im searching for a small camera. It want a longer lens than 35mm, longer the better tbh, but at the same time not dark. All these zooms go to 100mm with the aperture of 11, that wont just do for the thing I need it for. It has to have a flash !

So only thing I found was the Rollei AFM35, it has a 38mm and 2.6 and flash. And the T2 has 38mm and 2.8 and a flash.
It can even be a compact rf. Can anyone point out something that would be better than that ?
The Leica Minilux is 40mm, but no flash... Any ideas ?

Thanks in advance 🙂

 

[Greyscale]

Canon AF35ML, 40/1.9, with flash.


Canon Sure Shot ML by Greyscale3, on Flickr


or its big brother, the Sure Shot Tele, a little longer at the long end, but not as fast



Canon Sure Shot Tele by Greyscale3, on Flickr

 

[Greyscale]

The Leica Minilux has a flash, do you mean a hot shoe? Then your choices are really very limited. Maybe look at scale-focus cameras, or fixed-lens rangefinders.

 

[Joosep]

The Leica Minilux has a flash, do you mean a hot shoe? Then your choices are really very limited. Maybe look at scale-focus cameras, or fixed-lens rangefinders.

No I mean on camera...

:bang:
Oh it does... Darn it.. My bad... Didnt know how I remembered it like that.
Ok...

These are very good options.
Minilux, Canon ML, T2.
Any others ?

Or some fixed lens rangefinder ?
I dont actually care if its af or rf. I just want a longer fast lens with builtin flash.

 

[giellaleafapmu]

Long and fast lens and a flash...here it is:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0Z9ef3vdX5o/UEznWcNHxnI/AAAAAAAAEEM/AaPM2gwGd3I/s1600/03+Setup.jpg

GLF

 

[matt_mcg2]

I struggled in the past to try to find a longer lens and didn't have much success. FWIW, the Rollei AFM35 is great. Really a fantastic camera. Great meter, great lens, compact, lots of manual control.

 

[farlymac]

Canon Sure Shot Zoom XL. 39-85mm 1:3.6-7.3 with a flash that zooms with the lens, infinity lock, and a convenient remote control. Lens based on an FD design (according to the Canon Camera Museum site).


Canon Sure Shot Zoom XL Zoomed Out by br1078phot, on Flickr

PF

 

[Greyscale]

The only drawback to the Zoom XL is that it would quite likely be your largest 35mm camera. But there is no denying the excellence of that lens.

I came across a much unheralded camera that I believe is a diamond in the rough, with a lens of similar quality to the Zoom XL, but a little more petite, although still on the large side of compact, the Vivitar Tec 155. This camera has a 35~70mm manual zoom lens, and outstanding image quality and sharpness.


Vivitar Tec 155 with Series 1 35~70mm zoom. by Greyscale3, on Flickr


Vivitar Tec 155, Kodak HD400 by Greyscale3, on Flickr

 

[David Hughes]

The problem is that when 40/45mm was fashionable built in flashes weren't. Not that I'd call 45 long, but there it is. So built in flash usually means a 35mm lens, in most cases. Have you looked at the so-called twins with 35 or 70 and nothing in between? They had built in flashes.

Anyway, good luck with the search.

Regards, David

 

[petronius]

Canon Epoca 35-105mm/2,8-6,6

or the Nikon TW2AF

Small camera, long lens and fast lens doesn´t really work well together, imo.

 

[Greyscale]

Tho original Pentax IQZoom/Espio


Pentax IQZoom by Greyscale3, on Flickr


According to the manual, this is the world's first fully-automatic leaf-shutter camera to integrate a macro-to-telephoto power zoom, zoom finder, and zoom flash. It features a Pentax power zoom 35~70 mm f/3.5~6.7, 8 elements in 7 groups. Autofocus range is one meter to infinity, or 0.6 to 1 meter in macro mode.

 

[btgc]

I came across a much unheralded camera that I believe is a diamond in the rough, with a lens of similar quality to the Zoom XL, but a little more petite, although still on the large side of compact, the Vivitar Tec 155.

This is first and only compact w/ Viv Series 1 lens I've ever seen. Manual zooming also makes it special, at least, one thing less to break or draw energy, should also be faster than motorized lenses. Do VF "zooms" along with lens?

 

[btgc]

Tho original Pentax IQZoom/Espio

Shape and size suggests it's early compact, but note it has dedicated fill flash button. This is amazing for tech of this age.

 

[Greyscale]

This is first and only compact w/ Viv Series 1 lens I've ever seen. Manual zooming also makes it special, at least, one thing less to break or draw energy, should also be faster than motorized lenses. Do VF "zooms" along with lens?

Yes, the VF also zooms. And there is a mechanical window on the top of the camera that shows the current focal length. There are several other compacts with the "Series 1" lenses, sold under the "Series 1" series, including one that has what looks to be a motorized version of this 35~70mm lens, the model numbers escape me, though. Perhaps Tec series was labeled as Series 1 for overseas sales?

 

[Greyscale]

Shape and size suggests it's early compact, but note it has dedicated fill flash button. This is amazing for tech of this age.

I think that Pentax wanted to make a splash in the compact AF market with this one. What is really nice is that it takes cheap AAA batteries.

 

[btgc]

I think that Pentax wanted to make a splash in the compact AF market with this one. What is really nice is that it takes cheap AAA batteries.

Just thought - is it a fill flash or back-light compensation?

I think good AA and AAA batteries aren't that much cheaper than plain CR123 (maybe easier to find, though), and cameras taking them often still have them inside....leaked. Lithium cells go flat but I haven't seen leaked one. So each white cloud has it's dark rim.

 

[ZeissFan]

Generally, these were made for the person who couldn't have cared less about aperture or even optical performance, and so the makers stuck average lenses onto them and compensated with small apertures to keep the photos sharp. As well, they then didn't have to deal with complex zoom lens designs.

There are plenty of fixed-lens rangefinders with excellent lenses but probably without a flash.

The Rollei QZ 35T has a very good lens, but even at its long end (90mm), the largest aperture is still f/5.6. And the flash bolts on to the side. However, it does have an insanely fast 1/8000 top shutter speed -- which is unheard of in the P&S genre.