Police Threatened to Arrest Me for Taking Their Photo Last Night

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This is just sad. What is the United States turning in to??

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Police Threatened to Arrest Me for Taking Their Photo Last Night

posted by DOMINIC HOLDEN on WED, JUL 31, 2013

I was riding my bike past Fourth Avenue South and South Jackson Street at about 7:25 p.m. last night when I saw several officers huddled around a young black man sitting down. The cops were speaking loudly at him. As a reporter, when I see a buzz of police activity, I almost always stop to see what's going on. As the officers started barking louder at the man, I took out my phone and snapped this pic:

From 20-25 feet away, I couldn't discern exactly what was happening, but the man eventually stood up to leave. That's when one of the officers eyed me and yelled something like, "He's got a camera!"

King County Sheriff's Office Sergeant Patrick "K.C." Saulet rushed over and told me to leave or be arrested. He claimed I was standing on transit station property; the plaza belongs to King County Metro's International District Station and I could not stand there, he said. I backed up about two feet over the line that he pointed out (two parts of the same walkway) until I was unambiguously on the City of Seattle's sidewalk, near a utility pole by the curb. But Officer Saulet then insisted that I would be arrested unless I left the entire block.

Now, let me pause for a second to say this: When the US Department of Justice alleged that the Seattle Police Department was routinely using excessive force, federal prosecutors stressed in their report that officers were escalating ordinary interactions into volatile, sometimes violent, situations. Now a federal court controls the SPD under a reform plan, and the King County Sheriff's Department has faced extensive scrutiny for officer misconduct, so the two agencies should be showing more civility on the beat. Or so you'd think.

Back to Saulet: "You need to leave or you're coming with me," he said while repeating his arrest threat yet again. Commuters, shoppers, and vagrants were milling about the sidewalk and plaza—some people were passing closer to the center of the police activity than I was—but I was the only one on that busy block told to leave (the guy watching the police and taking their picture). I hadn't tried speaking to the officers or bothering them in any way, I hadn't even identified myself as a reporter, and I was standing on public property. The officers did not accuse me of any offense other than standing there. At this point, the man police were questioning had left. So I asked for the officer's name—I wanted to know who was threatening to arrest me—and he pointed to his embroidered shirt breast; as I took a photo of it, he lifted his hand, apparently in an attempt to block the shot.

(What I didn't know at the time is that Sergeant Saulet has a long history of abusive policing. In 2006, the Seattle PI reported the he has 12 sustained misconduct complaints against him and "one of the worst misconduct histories in the King County Sheriff's Office." Two years later, The Stranger reported that Saulet had been reprimanded five times for excessive use of force and four times for improper personal conduct. Nonetheless, Saulet has kept his job and his estimable rank as sergeant.)

After snapping Saulet's picture, I rode my bike across the street because I didn't want to get arrested, even though standing on the sidewalk and taking photos of police from a reasonable distance seemed legal. I was jotting down a few notes so I'd remember what happened when I saw three officers leaving the scene. I asked them who at the scene was the commanding officer. They explained that they were Seattle cops and they didn't know which county officer was in charge. Then Seattle police officer John Marion asked why I was asking.

I explained to him that I'd just been threatened with arrest for standing on the sidewalk (even though he'd just watched the whole thing), so I wanted to know who was in charge and if he thought it was illegal to stand on the sidewalk.

Instead of answering, Officer Marion asked why I was asking him questions.

I explained that I'm a reporter and I didn't think I'd broken any laws. He asked what news outlet I worked for. The Stranger, I told him.

Then Officer Marion said this: "I'm going to come into The Stranger and bother you while you're at work." He asked for my business card so he could get the address to come to my office, and, twice more, he threatened to come harass me at work. His point, he said, was that I was "harassing" him.

In other words, I stopped and asked matter-of-fact questions in a normal tone, and this SPD officer—with two colleagues at his side—escalated the situation without prompt or segue by threatening to "bother" me at my job.

Officer Marion became physically agitated when I took his photo (that's him giving the Come at me, bro gesture), and left the scene.

Last night and today I followed up with the county and city police departments. Both confirm that taking photos of officers and standing on public property—staying out of their way, like I was—is legal. Although she was not able to comment on this specific incident, King County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Sergeant Cindi West explains, "It's a free country, and as long as you have a legal right to be there, you can take a picture." She elaborated in an e-mail that "in general a person cannot be ordered to stop photographing or to leave property if they have a legal right to be there. Additionally, if a group of people are in an area legally we could not order just one person to leave."

Speaking on behalf of the Seattle Police Department, Sergeant Sean Whitcomb said, "It is our job—it is our job—to politely answer reasonable questions from members of the public when it is safe to do so." He then confirmed that questions regarding the on-scene commanding officer and legality of sidewalk standing are reasonable.

"The public does not expect us to threaten them with a workplace visit for the sole purpose of bothering them," Sergeant Whitcomb added.

Let me be the first say it: This is not a big case. Seattle police have punched, kicked, and killed people in recent years. What happened to me was minor. But I'm writing about it because it's minor. Officers went out of their way to threaten a civilian with arrest and workplace harassment for essentially no reason. Because they could. Because they didn't like being watched.

I'll bet this sort of harassment happens every day. Cops treat normal, law-abiding people like garbage—and it works. Most people don't complain; they get intimidated. They get bullied, they back down, and the cops never face any scrutiny.

As the the DOJ pointed out in its 2011 report on police practices: "In a number of incidents, failure to use tactics designed to de-escalate a situation, led to increased and unnecessary force."

This is part of the pattern that led to the SPD's consent decree and still some cops haven't gotten the message. They are part of a stubborn, toxic culture of disrespect and intimidation, and until that culture is exposed and discarded—and until bad apples are fired or retired—the local police will be reviled by people who should appreciate and trust them. So I'm making this an issue because even minor incidents like this shouldn't be happening in the first place—and some minor incidents turn into major incidents.

If the officers had just gone about their business, I would've assumed they had a legitimate interest in talking to the man and left. Call me bombastic, call me caustic if you want—and I don't shy away from difficult exchanges as a reporter—but I don't test my luck around cops. I'm professional and I follow orders.

The county sheriff's office has asked me to file a complaint, and I intend to. Solely based on my questions about the incident, the SPD has already initiated an investigation into SPD officer Marion; I got a call this afternoon from an investigator for the SDP's Office of Professional Accountability. I'm going to write about going through the process—and see if these disciplinary programs mean anything.

Because it shouldn't be considered professional conduct for police in our county to threaten law-abiding citizens with arrest. That's rank intimidation. It also shouldn't be considered professional conduct for city police to respond to a simple question—am I breaking the law?—with the threat of harassing that civilian in his place of work. If either of those things are considered acceptable, we should change the code of police conduct, because both are insane. And if they aren't considered acceptable, I expect the departments to punish the cops involved.
 
Back in the 90's, rapper Sir-Mix-A-Lot had a song called "One Time's Got No Case" about the King County Sheriff's officers and their habit of abuse and beating people. Guess nothing's changed....
 
With all due respect for the american people, one of the world's friendliest, I am so glad things would work pretty differently here in northern Europe.. Such insane behaviours of police officers towards "clean" citizens (and even towards criminals cought in their illegal doings) would have consequence for the abusive police.
 
IMO the police and government officials seems to forget about where their pay check came from. the very same happens in HK too, and it's quite often that police demand not being photographed when dispute exists
 
Seems like these cops need to be sat on hard. Strighten up or retire out with what ever precent of pension their years of employment would allow. This is not a head problem it is a heart problem. Truly wicked, evil hearts behave in such a manner.
 
I photographed an altercation between the police and some very drunk street aboriginals a while ago and a police woman came over to me ... and I expected the worst.

She just wanted to know if I'd seen what had started the trouble amongst the group prior to them (the police) arriving. She was very pleasant and never asked about my camera or why I was photograping the scene.

It's not all bad!
 
let's keep world politics out of this thread, please...

If you refer to my reply, it wasn't my intention to rise some countries' politics over others'. And I also hope politics stays out of this thread (and forum).

But it is unavoidable to compare and interesting to know what we street photographers would face if the same, and quite plausible situation, occurred in different parts of the world. I'm reading with interests comments from Hong Kong, Australia etc., for instance.
 
I think he just got a rogue officer, one who wasn't aware of the laws. I think in that case I'd take his name, move on and report later.

I've had many dealings with the police over the years, some good some bad I don't think a blanket condemnation helps.

In the case above the reporter should have shown his press card, and when the officer offered to come into his work, give his work address and office number.
"sure officer, drop by and 'bother' me at my work,– you'll need to be watched by 40 other journalists who'll probably want to put it on the front page so you might like to clear that with your superiors before you drop by..."

I sincerely doubt any Policeman would then step into a private company office and run those risk–this is a ignorant officer issue rather than the rule IMO
 
Don't ever think about shooting LA police officers in LA unless you have a press id on your neck, IF they 'feel threatened' by your Dslr w barrel shape lens, at the moment, mis IDed by the police officer as a weapon, they can kill you dead, Then your next of kin gets a million dollars/ tax payers money, then that's it!
I remembered a homeless woman was shot to death by a LA police officer, because she had a screwdriver on her hand...

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/05/lapd-m25.html

 
Police misbehaviour is a constant problem wherever you are. From my own experience, most police are decent people doing a horrible job. A few get over tense and lose the their judgement. Even fewer are just plain nasty people who should never have been recruited in the first place.

I take the view that we should be intolerant of the bad behaviour but tolerant towards the perpetrators, at least until we find out which group they belong to.
 
I agree with Sejanus.Aelianus and others that most police are nice and non abusive on their demanding job, pretty much everywhere in the world. However, there are indeed cultural differences (including the perception and use of authority) to be aware of when traveling the world as photographers.

While I'm sure that most American cops, just like most Scandinavian and Italian police with whom I have some direct experience, would gladly let a tourist take their photo, try to ask Russian police and see, for instance.. And in Afghanistan I was both stopped several times by police who wanted me to take a photo of them (!!) and my car was also stopped just after passing check points by police who suspected I had taken a photo of them. I guess I need more conclusive tests ;-)
 
Let us see -- this law enforcement individual has 12 legit complaints against him. Nowhere did I see that he was punished yet you expect the authorities to punish him in some manner. This seems optimistic to the point of madness. You need a good attorney, you need to get news organizations and their attorneys behind you and you need to make a great big stink with your elected officials all the way to the state Capital dome to Washington DC. You need for your news organization to make a big stink. Complaining to folks who will mostly agree with you (photographers) won't buy you much.I spent 50 years dealing with cops from the small town variety to secret service and FBI. Most law enforcement personnel are fine but one bad apple spoils the barrel and in every profession there is a lot of looking but not seeing bad behavior in their own ranks.
 
Unfortunately some people just aren't cut out for their (admittedly very trying) work, but get to stay on because they basically have friends who'll keep them there.
 
police academy, or most enforcement and disciplinary bodies usually compared to a production line in manufacturing. this bonding leads to people in the group are more usually connected to each other than say... a business company's office cubicle.

it's quite difficult to isolate the bad egg, and if you do there's often times another next to one.
 
Been thru it Once ....never want to go thru it Again
It still has dramatically changed my shooting 'Style'' in general
I don't go in as close as I used to when shooting street

My case was thankfully Dismissed and Sealed just two weeks shy of my Court Case...
I believe that was because I filed Complaints with the Civilian Complaint Board, The Police Commissioner Internal Affairs and the ACLU

I no longer ever shoot photos of the Police
Even though i have always had a Good rapport with them ( except that one incident)
And have some Wonderful photos of them on the Streets of NY

There are Bad Apples in Every Profession
 
Bad apples in every profession? Bad apples in people in general...way more bad people than good, IMO.

Police? Power, ego, frustration, rage, greed, too much negativity in their lives, you name it...approach them with caution and knowledge that YOU may be on the receiving end of their bad moods one day.

I have known a lot of people in law enforcement including some family members. I did not then, nor now, have any contact with them because of their mindset. Just me. Life is too short to deal with them.

And on the other side, they have enough problems with a tough and necessary job than to worry about me and my little problems.

Live and let live. I have photographs to make and time is short!🙂
 
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