Pollution in China

I apologize if there is any misunderstanding. Now i see where you are going with it.
I for one is not proud of such ugly truth to be exposed on the internet. I respect what he did however, and actually glad someone finally made the move. It is very unlikely the problem would be solved in a day or two. People need to be fed and apparently there are people who is more important than the others. The problem is in the system.
Just like the health care system here. We see the problem but there is a yet perfect solution for everyone.


emraphoto said:
the way i put what? that western oil interests are causing environmental disasters as we speak? sponsoring NPF hit squads in Nigeria that "deal with" dissenters to keep the oil revenues flowing? that Chinese exports into countries like the Congo and Nigeria are quickly replacing homegrown (healthy) foods and goods. that imported Chinese counterfeit malaria drugs in West Africa kill hundreds of kids every year?

again i assure you i RARELY open my mouth when i don't know what i speak of. what i do know is that we can all condemn foreign governments until we are blue in the face but until we all realize that we ALL have a very heavy environmental footprint and govern ourselves accordingly it will continue as it is. no matter how you chose to paint me i do not separate the responsibility into the "Chinese" or "US'. we all, as consumers, are complicit and the work of Lu Guang should serve as a very serious wake up call.

i must take my leave as the star of this thread should be Lu Guang. I do remain curious as to how others living in China perceive the level of risk he faced putting the work out there?
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Seems like the only way someone is going to go "green" is to build a log cabin, denounce the entire monetary system and not use any product that has been manufactured.
 
fbf said:
I apologize if there is any misunderstanding. Now i see where you are going with it.
I for one is not proud of such ugly truth to be exposed on the internet. I respect what he did however, and actually glad someone finally made the move. It is very unlikely the problem would be solved in a day or two. People need to be fed and apparently there are people who is more important than the others. The problem is in the system.
Just like the health care system here. We see the problem but there is a yet perfect solution for everyone.
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All is good my friend! I sometimes forget that sarcasm doesn't translate well in the Internet forums.

I am very curious to know what sort of repercussion (if any) he faced as a result of the images. The work has actually been out for a bit now as mentioned earlier.

For the record I did actually have won tun noodles in broth with fish paste for lunch (that I made myself) and it was tasty business!
 
The posted photo series is really a mirror to how we deal with a nature. Now - it is the China which undergoes fast industrial changes - something that happened longer time ago in the western world, but in a much larger scale and applying technologies that need more careful handling.

At the same time - not only lot of pollution is being produced in China - also lot of new sources (electronic waste comes to my mind) that being "recycled" in a very rough way produce another pollution. It ay sound silly but that's why I did not change my mobile phone after 6 years - it simply still works.

Sad true is, that for China (and probably many other smaller countries) the situation will not change any soon. The situation in Europe and US (and others) has shown how much investment and energy is needed to decrease the pollution. We as now speaking about decreasing the CO2 levels (with not too flattering results) is necessary to stop or slow down the change of the climate. I guess in China this must to many sound like a pure surrealism if a sheer survival is for many so hard.

I only hope, that improvements will come (slowly, in steps as they did here) before some major break down. But I remain wordless when looking for a direct help that could be done from outside ...
 
excellent said:
Seems like the only way someone is going to go "green" is to build a log cabin, denounce the entire monetary system and not use any product that has been manufactured.
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So you've not heard of deforestation then?

PS what would one cut the trees down with?
 
Sparrow said:
So you've not heard of deforestation then?

PS what would one cut the trees down with?
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I have. Don't know what you are getting at.

Make a saw from the teeth of some smart ass who just tried to pick a fight with you for no reason. JK What did one cut down trees with pre industrial times?
 
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dfoo said:
The saying goes: "There is nothing someone from Shanghai won't wear, and someone from Guangdong won't eat".
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Dude, your starting to gross me out.... In Vietnam they eat stray dogs why pick on Chinese cusine?

EDIT: Some people are struggling just to survive.
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I think it is good thing that Chinese people raise the concern about their enviroments. As economic improve, more and more people will concern their living enviroments. The question is who will be the next cheap source? India? or USA will low down their living standard?
 
emraphoto said:
"you really should go stick with your whatever photography instead of spreading the craps here.
There are many Chinahaters or anti china forums out there. We don't need another one.
FYI, we eat what you eat and we drink what you drink. Pig feet and chicken feet are delicious. I don't drink bud light but I don't talk non-sense to the ones who drink it."

PS i assure you i am not in the business of spreading crap
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If you mean Chinese, or even other oriental's food, not entirely true. But many Americans do eat chicken or pigs feet. It was done in European counties and we in America are still mostly of European stock. For the record, I am not one of them (edit: a feet eater that is)! :D

Many Americans eat pig jowls, ears and such. Again, not me. But I sure enjoy "sun de gook" minus that. For those not familiar, that is pig blood and rice (and who knows what else) used as filling in the pig small intestine. In other words, a sausage of sorts. Cut up and put in a soup with heart and liver, as well as some vegetables. It is a Korean dish. The Vietnamese ate cooked blood that tasted a lot like liver (go figure of course).

The first time I was in Korea most GIs complained about the smell of Kimchi, and many still do. The Koreans could not understand how westerners could eat cheese. They have learned to accomodate to that somewhat.

When I was a kid, we had neighbors of German extraction we liked very much, living about 1/4 mile away. If the missus cooked cabbage and the wind was right, I wasn't happy. I didn't like it when my mother cooked liver. As I grew older and got into the Army, a lot of that changed. It's amazing what hunger can make taste good.

All to say it seems silly to cut down on someone else's food. We all have things to like or dislike. I choose to eat mostly Korean food. It is healthy and my (originally Korean) wife is a good cook. I haven't given up on other nationality's foods however. I can even enjoy the watered down Pho we have here in the US. It seems to be a concoction of Hiu Tieu-like noodles and meat.

Anybody remember what this thread started off about? :D :D
 
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Dude, your starting to gross me out.... In Vietnam they eat stray dogs why pick on Chinese cusine?

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I haven't been there for thirty-five years, so things may have changed. But in the south, that was seldom done, even by poor people. In fact, it was a expensive delicacy for those with the stomach to eat it. Most wouldn't have. It was more the northern people. I knew a cyclo driver who was originally from the north. My lady friend had mentioned she had once fed me dog without telling me, as a joke. From then on, when he ate dog, I was invited, and ate dog too. Happened at least 6 or 8 times.
 
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... My lady friend had mentioned she had once fed me dog without telling me, as a joke. From then on, when he ate dog, I was invited, and ate dog too. Happened at least 6 or 8 times.
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Many northern chinese like dog hotpot in the winter. Its supposed to be a warming food not in the temperature sense, but in the chinese traditional medicine sense.
 
There is a place down the street that has pig feet soup, it is so spectacular that I take any one who visits here from out of country to try it, they love it.

At the same time the Chinese (mostly) think that cheese and olives are disgusting.

Figures.
 
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