Emile de Leon
Well-known
Eventually..the only solution for a population problem of this sort..overpopulation...is to populate other planets..Mars comes to mind here..and we appear to be rapidly preparing for this..But, that is not directly related to UFOs. Or is it?
Of course..we could limit growth..here on Earth..and this was enacted and desired in the 70's in a major way..ie..thru birth control etc..
But the powers that be..took over..and all this now is in the process of being tossed out the window for good..even though..the writing is on the wall..and it does not look good for us at all..
So..the better we are able to move the population..to other worlds..the more the chance..humanity..will survive..
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
Overpopulation is the 7.6 billion pound gorilla in the corner of the room. And growing by the minute.
Its never discussed, acknowledged, or addressed. I once attended a meeting by my city to plan for an expected 20,000 new people moving to our city in the next few years. I asked the question: Why do we have to have 20,000 new people? Blank! Nothing. No response. No one thinks about the problem at its root. Why? Of course, its always more nuanced than my simple question, but the premise remains. Why do we have to accept this process? Or even worse, why are some people encouraging this process?
The fact is, we don't have to have an additional 20,000 people. All this "planning" is in fact reactionary scrambling. I also showed the "planners" how it is !impossible to grow and keep up with infrastructure needs such that quality-of-life does not decline. To put it in simpler words: growth is not sustainable. Eventually, everyone will suffer. And in fact, the suffering extends beyond the geographic extent of the city, and beyond humans.
But, that is not directly related to UFOs. Or is it?
That is related to blind business interests, it lowers wages in the labour supply field and puts money in business owner's pockets. A real win-win in their short sighted way of thinking.
Even if you get 20,000 so called refugees and they sit on their fanny and collect welfare, they still buy things. Walmart or Costco does not care who is buying the disposable diapers and the children's toys or the canola oil and the bags of onions or where the money comes from.
retinax
Well-known
Wowza. Before this thread gets closed I'd like to assure some folks who probably know who they are, that you hear few objections is not because everyone agrees but because people are disgusted to even be around this kind of dark innuendos and fear-mongering.
The problem is not talking about UFOs.
The problem is not talking about UFOs.
rfaspen
[insert pithy phrase here]
Wowza. Before this thread gets closed I'd like to assure some folks who probably know who they are, that you hear few objections is not because everyone agrees but because people are disgusted to even be around this kind of dark innuendos and fear-mongering.
The problem is not talking about UFOs.
Just curious. Are the dark inuendos and fear-mongering the population related posts?
raid
Dad Photographer
Wouldn't it be safer here to discuss whether Martian use Leica - Made in Mars cameras or not?
FujiLove
Well-known
Eventually..the only solution for a population problem of this sort..overpopulation...is to populate other planets..Mars comes to mind here..and we appear to be rapidly preparing for this..
Of course..we could limit growth..here on Earth..and this was enacted and desired in the 70's in a major way..ie..thru birth control etc..
But the powers that be..took over..and all this now is in the process of being tossed out the window for good..even though..the writing is on the wall..and it does not look good for us at all..
So..the better we are able to move the population..to other worlds..the more the chance..humanity..will survive..
If you look at other species you’ll see nature usually provides a ‘solution’ when populations explode. They’re resource limited and/or affected by some sort of environmental collapse. We probably have another century or two at current rates of population growth and then 20 billion will become 2 billion. I doubt aliens will save us from ourselves.
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
If you look at other species you’ll see nature usually provides a ‘solution’ when populations explode. They’re resource limited and/or affected by some sort of environmental collapse. We probably have another century or two at current rates of population growth and then 20 billion will become 2 billion. I doubt aliens will save us from ourselves.
I say we have the room and space for 40 billion plus on this realm. It is the constant need to pillage the environment for this modern western style of consumerism and the need for creating monetary profits to infinity way of living that will be the problem.
I never bought into the so called "alien" agenda.
If these so called aliens exist they may be inter- dimensional beings or time travellers or high life forms adjacent to our realm or even what were called demons or jinns in the past or by some religions, or just plain conjured up by our collective imagination, who really knows?
RObert Budding
D'oh!
Eventually..the only solution for a population problem of this sort..overpopulation...is to populate other planets..Mars comes to mind here..and we appear to be rapidly preparing for this..
Of course..we could limit growth..here on Earth..and this was enacted and desired in the 70's in a major way..ie..thru birth control etc..
But the powers that be..took over..and all this now is in the process of being tossed out the window for good..even though..the writing is on the wall..and it does not look good for us at all..
So..the better we are able to move the population..to other worlds..the more the chance..humanity..will survive..
The empowerment of women is a better solution.
RObert Budding
D'oh!
That is related to blind business interests, it lowers wages in the labour supply field and puts money in business owner's pockets. A real win-win in their short sighted way of thinking.
Even if you get 20,000 so called refugees and they sit on their fanny and collect welfare, they still buy things. Walmart or Costco does not care who is buying the disposable diapers and the children's toys or the canola oil and the bags of onions or where the money comes from.
Wow. What an offensive post. So-called refugees? That sit around and collect welfare? Congratulations - You're in rare company. You're now on my 'ignore' list.
dmr
Registered Abuser
Made in Mars cameras or not?
I would think they would obviously use Jupiter lenses.
raid
Dad Photographer
I have some of these lenses! J-3, J-8, and J-12.
rfaspen
[insert pithy phrase here]
The empowerment of women is a better solution.
In general, this. However, humans are tricky critters. I don't know what the best "solution" may be....but population is undoubtedtly a very serious issue and should not be ignored as it has been.
rfaspen
[insert pithy phrase here]
I have some of these lenses! J-3, J-8, and J-12.
I once had a Mercury II. Kind of a scary camera -- there was a very strong spring inside that thing. From what I've heard, Mercury's are hot items
[get it? Mercury is the closest planet to the Sun....kind of hot...]
raid
Dad Photographer
Got it!
This thread is taking a different course here!
This thread is taking a different course here!
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I'm not really one way or the other with UFOs but I am shocked at some of the dogma I'm seeing in this thread! 
lynnb
Veteran
Wouldn't it be safer here to discuss whether Martian use Leica - Made in Mars cameras or not?
Isn't that why they have a red dot?
valdas
Veteran
I would think they would obviously use Jupiter lenses.![]()
I think they are already there and using Sputnik (translation - Sattelite) cameras...
http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Sputnik
Larry H-L
Well-known
Scotty, engage the warp drive!

kuuan
loves old lenses
UFO means unidentified flying object, no more, no less. I am very suprised that this term seem to make some envision humanoid-like creatures from some other star visiting and that even overpopulation becomes a theme. Please try to open your mind, an UFO could be just as well something entirely different than flying vehicles created by higher developped, more or less human like, creatures.
The lights I witnessed had put me into a special frame of mind. I half hid behind curtains when watching. I had the feeling of living entities which would be disturbed if they realized that they were being watched. For me they had been living entities, not machines or vehicles.
The lights I witnessed had put me into a special frame of mind. I half hid behind curtains when watching. I had the feeling of living entities which would be disturbed if they realized that they were being watched. For me they had been living entities, not machines or vehicles.
raid
Dad Photographer
Isn't that why they have a red dot?![]()
Now I know why Leica has "the red dot"! It is made by craftsmen from Mars and Jupiter!
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