Pricing Thoughts & Market Size 10-2020

Yokosuka_Mike said:
A forum is like a round table. We all sit around looking at each other. Either we get along or we don’t. Nevertheless, we still face each other or we leave the table. We can ignore many things - things we don’t want to hear, things we don’t want to see, things we don’t agree with. But, can we really, completely ignore each other and carry on like all is fine and dandy?

The internet makes us all travelers in the same boat. It’s not a pretty boat. We either let it sink or we keep it afloat. Easy to let it sink, much harder to keep it up. It takes teamwork to keep it going, understanding, some sacrifice and sometimes eating crow to preserve the harmony of the forum. It’s not a one way street. We all need to be tolerant of each other's opinions. Calling out bad behavior is good but should be done with respect.

Two way street, mutual respect, sink or swim… it’s not easy but it’s that or we’re not a community.

Perhaps I’m full of you know what, maybe even full of myself. One thing I do know is that I value being a member of this community and I’ll swallow a little pride to help keep things going; I think RFF is well worth it. How about you?

All the best,
Mike
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Yes, that's what I like about forums; you get a lot of different view points and the odd joke; some very odd. I don't agree with ignore lists because I like to see and understand, perhaps, before I decide to ignore it.

The only thing I miss is the body language but you can't have everything.


Regards, David
 
Agree Agree Agree

Agree Agree Agree

Two way street, mutual respect, sink or swim… it’s not easy but it’s that or we’re not a community.

All the best,
Mike[/QUOTE]

Picking on people is so third world, it just shuts down the discussion then we all loose the knowledge we might have had.
 
Leicas have always been expensive, and so have Contax and all the other so called "pro" cameras going right back to 1925 when Leicas first appeared. So why single out Leica?

And even saying "Leica" brings in a lot of vagueness as we could be talking about the bottom of the range or the top.

I could easily give examples of prices over the years but they are meaningless today without pages of "if's" and "buts".

And how do you establish what prices meant to people then? I was at a retirement party years ago and talking to someone. She can remember the celebrations at home, just before the war (so 1939), because her father had been promoted and was earning 50 shillings a week and would get a pension but you couldn't compare it with anyone because 1930's jobs don't exist these days; except (say) for postmen and road sweepers*...


Regards, David


* That sound rude, I mean jobs that are essentially the same today as they were then.
 
I`ve never understood this apparent obsession with the price of Leicas or their place in the market .

Its got sod all to do with taking pictures and would suggest that its the sole preserve of the management board of Leica.

If you can`t afford them , buy something else .
There`s plenty to choose from .

Ps I did not understand the "third world " reference either .
 
Forgot to mention. CAD is not so far from USD.

I have Triumph "MTB", "made in Canada" under 200 CAD in 2003 and riding accordingly bicycle.
This year due to extreme heat I switched from jogging to bikes run. And this bicycle didn't lasted long. I went to LBSs and they have told me what decent bicycle without mickey mouse parts is 1500 CAD these days. Entry level road bicycle for daily runs.
Sold without pedals. And where are some popular road bikes pedals which starts from ... 400 CAD. With shoes to match @200 CAD.

Where I'm they have folding bicycles for 3300 in USA dollars. Only dorks are pricing in USD on .ca sites and only ding-dongs are riding folding bikes.
But it is sold out until spring of next year.
https://www.helix.ca/shop/#

How about ten+ thousands dollars bicycles?
https://www.trekbikes.com/ca/en_CA/bikes/road-bikes/c/B200/
 
Out to Lunch said:
As we speak, 1 CAD is worth approximately USD 0.75. Cheers, OtL
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Yes, not Vietnamese dong which is 0.000043 of USD.

So, 16+K CAD with taxes is 18K CAD for nothing special bicycle in the second link I provided.. While median income in Canada is 60K CAD.

To Trusted Tovarisch Lenin, Canadian proletariat is suffering!
 
Yokosuka_Mike said:
A forum is like a round table. We all sit around looking at each other. Either we get along or we don’t. Nevertheless, we still face each other or we leave the table. We can ignore many things - things we don’t want to hear, things we don’t want to see, things we don’t agree with. But, can we really, completely ignore each other and carry on like all is fine and dandy?

The internet makes us all travelers in the same boat. It’s not a pretty boat. We either let it sink or we keep it afloat. Easy to let it sink, much harder to keep it up. It takes teamwork to keep it going, understanding, some sacrifice and sometimes eating crow to preserve the harmony of the forum. It’s not a one way street. We all need to be tolerant of each other's opinions. Calling out bad behavior is good but should be done with respect.

Two way street, mutual respect, sink or swim… it’s not easy but it’s that or we’re not a community.

Perhaps I’m full of you know what, maybe even full of myself. One thing I do know is that I value being a member of this community and I’ll swallow a little pride to help keep things going; I think RFF is well worth it. How about you?

All the best,
Mike
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"One thing I do know is that I value being a member of this community and I’ll swallow a little pride to help keep things going; I think RFF is well worth it. How about you?"

I agree, we should all do our best to preserve the harmony in this forum. As in all communities it is possible some "accident" happens, it's life.
 
So, 16+K CAD with taxes is 18K CAD for nothing special bicycle in the second link I provided.. While median income in Canada is 60K CAD.

We seem to have this conversation pretty regularly. Most middle class folks spend money on their hobbies, and people outside the hobby scratch their head over how much stuff costs. The couple people I've told how much my bicycle costs (digital Leica range) just kinda scratch their heads. But besides my lovely wife, biking and photography have been big parts of my life for decades. I'll spend my money there and count on my 15 year old "work" car lasting another 5 years till I retire. As previously said, people prioritize.

Look at the pricing for digital Hasselblad SLRs if you want to see expensive cameras.
 
chipgreenberg said:
So, 16+K CAD with taxes is 18K CAD for nothing special bicycle in the second link I provided.. While median income in Canada is 60K CAD.

We seem to have this conversation pretty regularly. Most middle class folks spend money on their hobbies, and people outside the hobby scratch their head over how much stuff costs. The couple people I've told how much my bicycle costs (digital Leica range) just kinda scratch their heads. But besides my lovely wife, biking and photography have been big parts of my life for decades. I'll spend my money there and count on my 15 year old "work" car lasting another 5 years till I retire. As previously said, people prioritize.

Look at the pricing for digital Hasselblad SLRs if you want to see expensive cameras.
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Several of us in the hobby, collectors and shooters scratch their heads over the prices paid...

Just my 2d worth.


Regards, David
 
Ach. Just another long whine about the cost of top-end cameras.
Don't all y'all have anything better to do with your energy?

If you want to play with Alpa, Leica, Hasselblad, and other top-end gear, you have to pay for it. That's all. You can do great photography with a bazillion other things too. Concentrate on the photography and leave the whining behind.

G
 
robert blu said:
Passions always cost time and money...
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Exactly! I'm finding Leica as the only photography gear which offers balance between been something really cute (like nothing else) and still functional to squeeze quality pictures from it. Canonikons are better tools, but it is like collecting items from regular hardware store.
M series offers fine pictures and body nobody else have. Nice body never been cheap. :)
 
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