Puts on the Zeiss ikon

[bmattock]

Not Again!

No, Joe, not from me. Anyone can say anything they like. Whatever. I have no opinions, opinions are bad.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

 

[back alley]

No, Joe, not from me. Anyone can say anything they like. Whatever. I have no opinions, opinions are bad.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

it was not directed at you bill!

if you notice, i changed the spelling of the name in the title.

i just don't want to rehash an old argument.

joe

 

[back alley]

Bill, I never said I didn't like the man but it's clear he's a Leica shill. So what? It doesn't matter anyway because Leica's been dying a slow death for quite some time. (Long live the Bessas and the Ikon!) 😎

frank,

i have discovered that i can ban people for a day or 2 or a week or so.

if you keep leica bashing i'm gonna have to ground you for at least a day.

we like all rangefinders here, plain & simple.

joe

 

[RJBender]

"If the ZI can evolve beyond being seen as an upgraded version of the Bessa and a cheaper cousin of the Leica M, than we have a interesting new player on the stage of the CRF theatre." ​

Evolve... cheaper cousin....theatre.

It's entertainment.

R.J.

 

[yossarian]

Bill, you know it's been nearly a month since the last Puts-bashing, so I guess it's a regularly scheduled event now.

"It's not braggin' if you're cocky and you back it up".

 

[julianphotoart]

It seems to me that if Mr. Puts used the same degree of criticism to analyze the actual usefulness of the M7, he'd say IT was a pretty terrible camera too. I could easily write a review that listed a lot of things that are troublesome about actually USING my M7.

 

[back alley]

folks, read the whole review and not just bits taken out of it.

it's very easy to pull something apart if you pick and choose the words from an article.

joe

 

[Honu-Hugger]

I enjoy all opinions. The factual ones are informative and the others are entertaining...

 

[RJBender]

I enjoy all opinions. The factual ones are informative and the others are entertaining...

R.J.

 

[Frank Granovski]

Okay, no more Leica bashing from me, Joe. I'll lay it to rest. 🙂

(Except about my Leica CL because it deserves it.) 😛

 

[back alley]

many people will thank you frank, as do i.

joe

 

[bmattock]

Bill, you know it's been nearly a month since the last Puts-bashing, so I guess it's a regularly scheduled event now.

Yeah. I guess so. I don't care if people like or don't like the man - I don't know him, and I can hardly defend his opinions, since 90% of what he writes about I won't ever own or be able to afford anyway. I just dislike the whole "I don't like this guy so I'm going to trash his name" thing. His name is Puts. Like him, hate him, I could not care less. But leave the man's name alone.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

 

[claidemore]

I really hate it when my stream of consciousness gets interfered with.

 

[Honu-Hugger]

After some consideration I'm staying with Putz 😀.

 

[egpj]

Putz has always been such a...oh, never mind 🙂.

"putz" 😛

 

[egpj]

hhmmm, should have read to the end of the thread.

 

[Honu-Hugger]

Bill,
I'm not taking this thing too seriously -- it's all in fun. I've read the man's reviews for years and I do not have a great deal of respect for him -- that's my opinion. The rest of this is silly fun as far as I'm concerned.

 

[claidemore]

Actually I don't have a point, just thought the stream of consciousness phrase was kinda funny.

As for Erwins Puts article, I found the factual parts informative, and the opinion parts interesting, and sometimes amusing, though I doubt they were intended as such. I also enjoyed his writing style, it's archaic, and a little high handed, but makes good reading.

I wrote for a small newspaper for several years, during which time I learned a couple things.

People will read anything you write.

Not everyone will like what you write.

I've just learned another thing too. If you take too long to compose a message in a forum... the topic changes. lol

 

[Honu-Hugger]

Sorry Bill, I never meant any offense to you personally. Quite frankly as I was reading your post my mind was running faster than my eyes and I couldn't for the life of me imagine what connotation one would make of Mattocks.

As for Puts; in the business he is in and particularly the style in which he writes he'd better have a pretty thick skin because publicly he sets himself up for harsh criticism. I've seen the issue from both sides; I didn't like him even when I owned Leicas -- I considered him an embarrassment to the marque. And to other Leica owners I'm sure he's their hero -- he has a divisive style. Putz just happens to work for me because I'd think of him as a dick-head even if his name were Smith; Puts just makes it easier.

 

[Mazurka]

Sorry Bill, I never meant any offense to you personally. Quite frankly as I was reading your post my mind was running faster than my eyes and I couldn't for the life of me imagine what connotation one would make of Mattocks.

Bill, don't take it personally when you see Erwin's famous nickname which I never claim to invent. If anything, your name only reminds me of Matlock the TV attorney.

I agree with Honu-Hugger. I don't hate Erwin the man, but rather his ridiculous, illogical ramblings that are often misleading. Anything Leica does is splendid. But if a strong competitor does the same thing, it's just the opposite, especially when they do it before Leica did - look at what he had to say about the AE function on the Konica Hexar RF and M7. There have been many other instances and I don't have to repeat what Mike said about Erwin's latest on the ZI.

I used to consider him to be a good authority on Leica, subscribed to his newsletter, even bought his book. But his endless flowery prose for Leica and the multiple standards that he keeps on other brands are just too much to bear. My post was not to "trash" him but rather to show his hilarious jabs on the ZI. Surely it's worth a laugh if nothing else. 😀