Bill Clark
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FrozenInTime
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Yeh, I've a gripe too... the red dot hasn't been put on straight. It would be comforting to know it's level beneath the gaffa tape.
Pete
The Red dots were deliberately tilted at a different angles on each review camera - as a unique identifier so that any leaks could be traced and the guilty reviewer black listed
kshapero
South Florida Man
This is a definite home run in every way but price. I will jump on it in 3 or 4 years when the price comes down or get it used.
skibeerr
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I don't like 28mm, very personal I know.
They do seem to be, almost, getting a feel what the market wants.
How many more would be drooling if they put a 35mm f2 summicron on it instead of a 28mm summilux?
They do seem to be, almost, getting a feel what the market wants.
How many more would be drooling if they put a 35mm f2 summicron on it instead of a 28mm summilux?
Roma
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I'll get one as soon as I figure out how. Looks like a real camera to me.
Pablito
coco frío
The shutter release button is not threaded for a soft release. What is to be done?
GaryLH
Veteran
I would hope that if this is a success, they may do what Sigma did w/ the dp series camera..different fixed focal length based on model number. A 40 and 75 summicron versions.
While this camera is not for me, I think it could be a winner for them.
Gary
phatnev
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How is it overpriced? $4250 for a Leica lens + body is a steal in Leicaland. A new Leica M240 + 28mm 2.8 costs $8400. Even used you're still looking at over $5000. And you're getting a much slower lens, no autofocus, worse battery life, no wifi, slower processing, and 1fps vs 10fps. Leica used to be the photojournalist/documentary camera of choice, and for a long time it hasn't been because Leica has refused to modernize. This is the first step in doing so.
Why is it boring? It's the first modern take on the M series. It's Leica finally listening to what photographers want and need in a modern digital body.
Why is it boring? It's the first modern take on the M series. It's Leica finally listening to what photographers want and need in a modern digital body.
Ronald M
Veteran
I can`t seem to locate the the lens release button.
Think I`ll pass
Think I`ll pass
Maximilian
Established
I got one yesterday. Usually when I get a new camera (not very often) I'm a bit uncomfortable and somewhat negative in the beginning, before I figure stuff out, or in the worst case just give up and sell it. My limited experience with the Q so far, is however extremely positive right from the start! Just super intuitive for me and the images look great too!
I'm obviously in the very beginning of the honeymoon phase, but I really can't find anything I dislike about it so far, apart from weather sealing would have been a nice bonus, but I'm not complaining.
I know I'm just some random guy on the Internet that has only owned this camera for one day, but if someone is on the fence, I can warmly recommend it!
I'm obviously in the very beginning of the honeymoon phase, but I really can't find anything I dislike about it so far, apart from weather sealing would have been a nice bonus, but I'm not complaining.
I know I'm just some random guy on the Internet that has only owned this camera for one day, but if someone is on the fence, I can warmly recommend it!
phatnev
Well-known
I got one yesterday. Usually when I get a new camera (not very often) I'm a bit uncomfortable and somewhat negative in the beginning, before I figure stuff out, or in the worst case just give up and sell it. My limited experience with the Q so far, is however extremely positive right from the start! Just super intuitive for me and the images look great too!
I'm obviously in the very beginning of the honeymoon phase, but I really can't find anything I dislike about it so far, apart from weather sealing would have been a nice bonus, but I'm not complaining.
I know I'm just some random guy on the Internet that has only owned this camera for one day, but if someone is on the fence, I can warmly recommend it!
This is interesting, it's not weather sealed? Is this confirmed somewhere? That's kind of disappointing for the price tag.
krötenblender
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It seems that the Q is a step in a really new direction for Leica. Ming Thein wonders at the end of his review, if the Q is the first step for Leica to give up the classic RF concept completely.
I think, this is a hard to accept part of the Q for many of the classical RF lovers: it could be, that in the next few years Leica starts to mix and give up the last real RF stuff (the optical RF) in favour of EVFs or hybrid finders, software corrected lenses and so on.
The Q may be economically a good thing to Leica. I can imagine, that it will be a well sold camera. Personally I'm not interested, because 28mm as only focal length is too wide for me and from Leica, I'm only interested in real optical rangefinders. I would accept and in fact love a hybrid finder (think Fuji X100t), that is a real rangefinder with add-ons. For compact, fixed lens cameras there are IMHO better solutions.
Nevertheless, I think, the Q could be a success for Leica - and a threat to all purists. By the way: being a purist is not a bad thing.
I think, this is a hard to accept part of the Q for many of the classical RF lovers: it could be, that in the next few years Leica starts to mix and give up the last real RF stuff (the optical RF) in favour of EVFs or hybrid finders, software corrected lenses and so on.
The Q may be economically a good thing to Leica. I can imagine, that it will be a well sold camera. Personally I'm not interested, because 28mm as only focal length is too wide for me and from Leica, I'm only interested in real optical rangefinders. I would accept and in fact love a hybrid finder (think Fuji X100t), that is a real rangefinder with add-ons. For compact, fixed lens cameras there are IMHO better solutions.
Nevertheless, I think, the Q could be a success for Leica - and a threat to all purists. By the way: being a purist is not a bad thing.
Maximilian
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Don't know, but I sure hope that I'll not be the first person to confirm that it's not weather sealed!
I'm fairly sure it's not though. Leica would have been proud to say it was, and I can't see in any of their material that it is. I also read somewhere on the Internet that it wasn't, so I'm not going to experiment with water anytime soon.
phatnev
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Don't know, but I sure hope that I'll not be the first person to confirm that it's not weather sealed!
I'm fairly sure it's not though. Leica would have been proud to say it was, and I can't see in any of their material that it is. I also read somewhere on the Internet that it wasn't, so I'm not going to experiment with water anytime soon.
Probably for the best! I'm sure we'll hear definitively one way or another soon. I also heard from a review video on Youtube that it's not sealed which is a huge bummer. The GR might be a better investment as replacing one would be a lot less of a hassle than replacing the Q.
Maximilian
Established
I would not be surprised at all if this is a new direction they will be taking and a similar interchangeable lens body and new autofocus lenses are on the way.
I would however be extremely surprised if they gave up on rangefinders completely. They even made a new analog rangefinder not long ago with the M-A, for the small market that would still like to buy a new analog camera.
I would think that the future M will be very scaled down to the basic functions, but with the latest sensor and processor. It may have to be very expensive though, cause I think the market will just become smaller and smaller.
Pete B
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krötenblender
Well-known
Yes, that would make sense. I think, however, that Leica currently brings too many different concepts too quickly. I think the T is superfluous if the Q is a success and if it gets a successor with interchangeable lenses.
I see at least the "pure" digital rangefinder in some danger. I think that Fuji with the X100* and the X-Pro1 made many D-RF fans really think if a Leica is worth the money. They are no RFs for sure, but when I had a X100S, I left my Leica at home surprisingly often. The optical hybrid VF was just great and the user experience more Leica-like than any non-Leica I ever checked. Maybe there is just not enough money to make with D-RFs anymore. The Film-RFs for the hardcore fans, for the others something different.
I hope there will be more. But I also think that the current way of the D-RF is wrong. Compared to the classic film RF (for me, the M6 being the most impressive), the are clunky, heavy and have bad ergonomics. Compared to other digital mirrorless cameras, they are too big, too heavy, too "featureless" (for the mass market, not the "real photographer") and simply too expensive. You get much better digital technology than a M for much less money.
So even the Leica-niches are filled with "better" competitors. The successors of the current Ms would have the same feature-set as the current ones, but with better details. I think you are right with that. - Nothing is more satisfying for me than shooting real rangefinder, and I'm a digital guy, but I'm not sure if the future outlook of Leica direction for the digital Ms looks too good.
I can imagine that the Q is to the M series what the CL was to the M5.
MiniMoke
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I wonder why Leica didn't put a fake frame line lever on the front of the camera to switch between 28mm native, 35 and 50mm cropped images and frame lines.
Would have been cool!
Would have been cool!
rbelyell
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thats an interesting take, and in some ways youre right. perhaps its that leicas past digital offerings have set the bar so darn low that competence seems like greatness. on the other hand it appears this is at the top of the class with af speed, evf quality, mf experience and lens speed compared to the rx1. and they include a lens hood. ):
This is unnecessary in this thread. What does your preference for film have to do with this camera?